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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 25, 2019 9:14:05 GMT -5
Ruby at Parkland  There are a number of questions the Warren Commission would rather have not been presented with, much less answer. Questions that should be very easy to answer if they have no bearing on the official case. Was Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital in the aftermath of the assassination, while the president's body was still in Dallas? Why should this matter so much to the commission? There were mysterious circumstances and questionable chain of custody in the finding of Exhibit 399 (the single bullet). The man that later shot the alleged assassin, was seen in the hospital shortly after the president arrived. The bullet was found in a public area, on a stretcher bumped by a hospital working moving it out of the way. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jack Ruby testified June 7, 1964
Representative FORD. It has been alleged that you went out to Parkland Hospital. Mr. RUBY. No; I didn't go there. They tried to ask me. My sisters asked me. Some people told my sister that you were there. I am of sound mind. I never went there. Everything that transpired during the tragedy, I was at the Morning News Building. Congressman FORD. You didn't go out there subsequent to the assassination? Mr. RUBY. No; in other words, like somebody is trying to make me something of a martyr in that case. No; I never did. Ruby testified from his cell in early June. He was not out at Parkland that day, not at all.
[Seth] Kantor testified 5 days before, he had seen Jack at the hospital, in fact spoke directly to him.
When another witness came forward, both were dismissed, and the WC took the word of a convicted madman.
The bigger question then becomes, why did the WC made such a big deal to falsify the facts?In the process, they've made themselves to look like fools. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 25, 2019 9:14:48 GMT -5
Seth Kantor  Seth Kantor was born on 9th January, 1926. During the Second World War Kantor served in the United States Marines. After the war he became a journalist and worked for several newspapers including the Fort Worth Press, Denver Rocky Mountain News, Lamar Daily News, the Pueblo Chieftain, and Dallas Times Herald. [Spartacus Educational]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Seth Kantor testified June 2, 1964Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you live in Dallas at some time? Is that correct? Mr. KANTOR. For a 2-year period. Mr. GRIFFIN. And what was that 2-year period? Can you tell us when it began and when it ended? Mr. KANTOR. Yes. September 1960 until May 1962. Mr. GRIFFIN. During those months, did you have occasion to meet Jack Ruby? Mr. KANTOR. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first meet Mr. Ruby? Mr. KANTOR. Well, it was within a very few months after I joined the Times Herald. I was a feature writer for the paper. I think by nature of the stories that I wrote, I sort of attracted Jack Ruby. He came up to my desk one day and introduced himself and said that he owned a club or clubs in town, and that he thought he might have some stories for me from time to time, and he did. Over the next several months, he provided me with maybe as many as half-a-dozen feature stories, on characters in town. A newspaper man for 18 years, one of the first to arrive at Parkland, and always well aware of the time,Mr. KANTOR. Oh, no. I have been in the newspaper business about 18 years, but in the employ of Scripps-Howard for 5. "About eight of us got into the station wagon. And outside of the reporters who were in the pool car behind the President, we were the first group of reporters to arrive at the hospital." Mr. KANTOR. I was following my watch very closely because it was a matter of newspaper deadlines, especially for our Texas papers. The reason I had called Washington was because I felt that I could not begin calling our three papers in Texas individually, and I felt that from Washington the story could be related to all 18 of our papers. And so I was watching the time closely. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Encounter Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, can you tell us what happened when you saw Ruby--when you encountered Ruby at Parkland Hospital, what the encounter consisted of? Mr. KANTOR. Yes; I apparently walked right past him, because the first I was aware of Jack Ruby was that as I was walking, I was stopped momentarily by a tug on the back of my jacket. And I turned and saw Jack Ruby standing there. He had his hand extended. I very well remember my first thought. I thought, well, there is Jack Ruby. I had been away from Dallas 18 months and 1 day at that time, but it seemed just perfectly normal to see Jack Ruby standing there, because he was a known goer to events. And I had my mind full of many things. My next reaction was to just turn and continue on my way. But he did have his hand out. And I took his hand and shook hands with him. He called me by name. And I said hello to him, I said, "Hello, Jack," I guess. And he said, "Isn't this a terrible thing?" I said, "Yes"; but I also knew it was no time for small talk, and I was most anxious to continue on up the stairway, because I was standing right at the base of the stairway. Mr. KANTOR. A Dallas policeman. I am not sure how many Secret Service men or other guards there were. But I do remember this one man, because he let me in. At any rate, Jack Ruby said, "Isn't this a terrible thing," or words to that effect. I agreed with him that it was. And he said--and he had quite a look of consternation on his face. He looked emotional---which also seemed fitting enough for Jack Ruby. But he asked me, curiously enough, he said, "Should I close my places for the next 3 nights, do you think?" And I said, "Yes, I think that is a good idea." And I excused myself. And he said he understood, and I went on. And that was the sum total of it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, do you have any question in your mind that you did see Ruby out at Parkland Hospital? Mr. KANTOR. If it was a matter of just seeing him, I would have long ago been full of doubt. But I did talk to the man, and he did stop me, and I just can't have any doubt about that. Jack Ruby is a character.
I don't think anybody would argue, if you knew Jack Ruby, you'd certainly know him when you see him.
This astute veteran reporter talked to the man, and knows it was on Friday at Parkland Hospital.
In a section called POSSIBLE CONSPIRACY INVOLVING JACK RUBY the WCR concludes:Kantor probably did not see Ruby at Parkland Hospital in the few minutes before or after 1:30 p.m.,
the only time it would have been possible for Kantor to have done so. [WCR page 336] |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 27, 2019 12:01:51 GMT -5
Wilma Tice In 1963, Wilma May Tice was a 39 yr old housewife, whose husband worked part time for American Airlines and the Dallas Police Dept. She lived close to Parkland Hospital, and when she heard the president was brought there, she decided to go. Her husband was at work and would have forbidden it, but more importantly she paid very close attention to the time. She needed to be home by 3:00p to meet her children from school. While she was there, she saw Jack Ruby. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How does she know who Jack Ruby is?Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know Jack Ruby before November 22? Mrs. TICE. No; I did not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you follow the Ruby trial in the newspapers? Mrs. TICE. I saw some of the news, yes; I did, but then I had a wreck January 23, and January 23 I was pretty sick until April 21. I mean, I had trouble with vision and was going to the doctor every day, and was in bed practically all the time. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any feeling about whether Jack was treated fairly or not? Mrs. TICE. That part I couldn't say. I don't know whether he was treated fairly or not. I just wouldn't even know if he was treated fairly, because I wasn't up there. I mean, I can't say. I felt like, I guess what you really want to know is how in the beginning I talked with Eva? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; that's right. Mrs. TICE. Well, I called Eva. It was no more than a sympathy call. And when I called her I didn't get her on the phone. I got Eileen [Jack's other sister] on the phone. And I felt sorry for them because they had been so deserted for something that their brother had done. They had been rejected by everybody, and I felt sorry for them. I mean just like I try to teach my children, right is right and wrong is wrong, and I try to abide by the same thing. Mr. GRIFFIN. You called for the purpose of cheering her up, was that it, in some way? Mrs. TICE. Yes. I called her after the verdict. It was after the verdict that I called her to give her my sympathy. That is why. And then I talked with Eileen. And instead, she said Eva was rather upset. Then in talking with Eileen, I think she called or I don't know, I talked again--I don't know if Eva called me, or Eileen called me, but something was mentioned about their brother being out at the hospital, and at the time I said to her it was really a shock to me to see--mean I was in the kitchen when I heard the news, and the children said when they were transferring him, Ruby did this. And she said they were so shocked and all tore up, and I said yes, it was quite a shock to me because seeing him just 2 days later out at the hospital wanting to give Governor Connally a kidney, that he could go down and try to save one life, and go take another life, it just didn't make sense. And she said, "Oh, he is sick, he is just sick." And said, "He has been acting just peculiar ever since this thing happened." And she told me then that another time, well, Eileen asked if she could come and talk to me, if she could come out to the house. So she and Eva came out, and two newspaper reporters came along with me. Art Sinclair and this other one, I don't know what his name was. Anyway, they were talking to me about Ruby being out to the hospital, and that is just about all I know. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is weird. She doesn't know Jack Ruby, or his family??
Yet, after his verdict, she suddenly felt sympathy and some kind of obligation to cheer up the sisters.
And then she's talking to the family like they're old friends.
There is something more we are not being told re: the relationship between these two.
She mentions her husband was suspicious of her having had worked for Jack.
Was she coached, notice how Griffin walks her to "feeling about whether Jack was treated fairly or not?"Was that part of her script?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 27, 2019 12:02:25 GMT -5
Glad to Dismiss Before I get to the actual encounter, there is something not right here. She is most afraid of her husband finding out what she says, and it is merely implied, she didn't know who Jack Ruby was on Nov. 22 nd. Assistant attorney Burt Griffin is glad to dismiss her if she prefers....Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me state for the record while Mrs. Tice is here, that I have talked with your husband for a few minutes and I have explained to him that the decision as to whether or not other people are to be in the hearing room with us is the one that the witness makes, and that we have permitted public hearings at the request of the witness, and we have had private hearings at most of these. After I talked with him at some length, I think he agreed with me that if it was your wish that he not be in here, that we go ahead and have this as a private hearing. So I will first of all ask you, Mrs. Tice, if you would like to go ahead privately, or if you would prefer to have your husband in here? Mrs. TICE. I would prefer not to have my husband in here. Mrs. TICE. Let me ask you first, is this to be told to my husband? Mr. GRIFFIN. We will not tell your husband about it, but we are taking a printed transcript and these will all be public records eventually, and it will certainly be available to your husband to read if he should ever want to. Now, if you would prefer not to testify about this, why I think that we are not going to ask you to do it. Mrs. TICE. You mean I don't have to testify? I don't have to say anything if I don't want to? Mr. GRIFFIN. No; if you would prefer not to testify, why, I am not going to compel you to do it. We asked you to come here because the FBI had interviewed you, and we wanted to get under oath what they had reported to us previously. But as I say, if you have domestic reasons why you don't want to talk about this, we are certainly not going to force you to do it. Mrs. TICE. Will I be subpenaed later for something? Mr. GRIFFIN. We will not subpena you. The report is in the records. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, we were going to talk to you about matters that you talked to the FBI about. Mrs. TICE. That is all? Mr. GRIFFIN. That is all. Mrs. TICE. OK. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you rather think about this? There is no reason why you have to make a decision today about it. Mrs. TICE. Well, I mean if you just want me to tell you the story, that story over again, I would rather do it right now, because m.y husband is so upset now because I had to come up here again with that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, you know that we can't, that the chances are 99 out of 100 that your husband will find out what your testimony was. You are aware of that? Mrs. TICE. Is that from a promise that you made that he would be able to see it later? Mr. GRIFFIN. No; that is simply because this is all going to be a part of a public record, and it will be available for anyone to look at, and it will be easily accessible to anyone in Dallas to look at. Mrs. TICE. When? Mr. GRIFFIN. In a couple of months. Mrs. TICE. Not before that? Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, whenever the report is published. I would guess in early fall that the report will be out. Mrs. TICE. Well, go ahead and ask me whatever you want to ask me now, whatever it is you want to know. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It seems like she is protecting a lie.
A lie she told her husband about knowing or working for Jack Ruby.
The husband is part time with the DPD, she seems to be very worried about the immediate consequences of her testimony.. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did your husband object to the fact that you had gone to Parkland Hospital? Mrs. TICE. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Has this disturbed you, his objection to that? Mrs. TICE. Yes: it disturbs me all the time, because he doesn't want me to go out of the house while he is gone, because he says my place is in the house. Mr. GRIFFIN. If you were really sure that the man you saw out there was Jack Ruby, wouldn't you have reported it to the police or the FBI within a few days, or called them on the telephone or something like that and told them about it very shortly after Jack shot Oswald? Mrs. TICE. No; because I thought they knew everything. I didn't know that Eva and them didn't know he went out there, or I wouldn't have said that to her. When was the first time she called Eva?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Again, there is something missing.
She testified July 24, Ruby was convicted on March 14, 1964. Sometime after that date, she felt compelled to offer sympathy to Ruby's sisters. Out of the blue, she doesn't know this woman, yet she talks as though she has known Jack and Eva all along. Griffin never asks about her background, if she had ever worked in these clubs, and could have seen or heard of Jack Ruby before 11/22. The original question was: Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know Jack Ruby before November 22? Mrs. TICE. No; I did not.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 30, 2019 8:41:28 GMT -5
The Encounter/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/P3QBQHX3JSKURAVF7VMZWCZ2LE.jpg) Warren Commission Report (page 336)The only other person besides Kantor who recalled seeing Ruby at the hospital did not make known her observation until April 1964, had never seen Ruby before, allegedly saw him only briefly then, had an obstructed view, and was uncertain of the time. First of all notice, she has no name. The commission doesn't find that worthy of a mention.
Instead they find fault in the time it took for her to come forward, April 1964
Yet, she was only 3 feet from the man, being nosy, and listening, but never had an obstructed view++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On the StandMr. GRIFFIN. How long had you stood out there before you saw this man that you thought was Jack Ruby? Mrs. TICE. Well, there was some lady and some little child with some group of people standing there and I asked them what they were doing now and she said, "Well, they haven't said anything." And she said she can't hear anything. This is when I saw the one that at that time I didn't know was anybody like Jack Ruby, and then this man that came up to him and slapped him on the shoulder and started talking to him. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did this man that you think was Jack Ruby, how long did he stand out there next to you? Mrs. TICE. I was standing about 3 feet from them. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was he standing in relation to you. Was he in front of you or behind you, or off to the side, or where was he? Mrs. TICE. I was standing about like this, and they were standing there, but I was being nosy and listening. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Griffin tries to make it 4-5 feet - and injects that into the question - Tice corrects himMr. GRIFFIN. In other words, this man was off to the side 4 or 5 feet distant from you, the distance from you to me? Mrs. TICE. This man that I say was Jack Ruby was about 3 feet from me, I guess, about as far as you are from me. Mr. GRIFFIN. You could only see the side of his face, I take it? Mrs. TICE. Jack Ruby's? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It was the other man's face she saw the side of,
Griffin then tries to put Jack's back to her, again, she corrects him.Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mrs. TICE. No; I only saw--I could only see the side of this other man's face that walked up to him. Jack was standing right here, see, this man that is called Jack. He was standing here like this, and I am standing here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Jack Ruby was ahead of you and initially had his back to you, is that right? Mrs. TICE. No; he wasn't up ahead of me. He was more or less to the side. She said she doesn't know what Jack Ruby looked like on 11/22, yet her testimony contradicts what the commission concludes.
She was as close as 3 feet to a man named Jack. She had no obstructed view, and somehow was able to assume the man's last name was Ruby.
Veteran reporter Seth Kantor knew exactly who Jack Ruby was, and testified he spoke to Jack at Parkland that same day. The commission falsified the facts, then concluded both were mistaken about the same thing.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 1, 2019 12:22:57 GMT -5
 Continuing the testimony of Wilma TiceMr. GRIFFIN. Now, a man walked up to him and tapped him on the shoulder? Mrs. TICE. The man came right down this way, over this way and slapped him on the shoulder and asked him how he was doing. Mr. GRIFFIN. And at that point Jack turned around? Mrs. TICE. At that point Jack turned around and started talking to him. At the time, he was facing right toward me. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the other man? Was he standing between you and Jack? Mrs. TICE. No; the other man was standing right here, and Jack was standing here, because he turned around to see who slapped him on the shoulder. There it is, "...he was facing right toward me.."
There was no obstructed view, Ruby turned to see who had tapped him on the shoulder.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Next time you thought about it.Mr. GRIFFIN. When was the next time you .thought about this incident? Mrs. TICE. I didn't think about it any more. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, the next time you thought about it, of course, was whenever the children said that was Oswald got shot? Mrs. TICE. That is the next time I thought about it. I mean, other than just what I hear on the news, and I got tired of hearing it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you tell your husband? Mrs. TICE. That I went down there; no. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you tell anybody else that you had been there and seen that man, seen Jack Ruby? Mrs. TICE. Yes; I talked to Eva about it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to any of your friends about it? Mrs. TICE. I don't think so; no. I don't think I did, because I wouldn't want my husband to get hold of me being out there. I guess I made mention to somebody about him wanting to give somebody a kidney, him wanting to give Governor Connally, one day, and then going up and killing somebody. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember who you told that to? Mrs. TICE. No.
She told the FBI, she had seen Ruby shoot Oswald on television, but here it sounds like she heard about it from her children.
And again, with the Eva? - CE 2290 puts the first call to Eva at the end of Jan., on the stand, that changed to March, after the verdict.
The WC set up is, sympathy for the girls re: their treatment after the verdict prompted a series of phone calls with the family.
Her descriptions of these conversations hint that she may have known the family, and then certainly would have known who Jack was.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Watching the TimeMr. GRIFFIN. Do you have anything else that you would like to tell us about this? Mrs. TICE. Well, except whenever I turned, well, this Ruby went on down this way, and this man here, when this man walked away, and this one here went on down toward this curb here, then I turned around and I looked at my watch and I left, because my children were coming home from school. Mr. GRIFFIN. You left shortly after you saw this man, this Ruby man? Mrs. TICE. I was home at 3 o'clock. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long a time elapsed between the time you saw Ruby and when you left the hospital? Mrs. TICE. I don't know, but it takes me approximately 15 minutes. Mr. GRIFFIN. As soon as that man left, Ruby, did you go home? Mrs. TICE. I just moseyed. I didn't take off at a running hop or anything, but I kept looking and I didn't see nothing. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you wait as long as an hour after you saw Ruby before you left? Mrs. TICE. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. AS long as a half-hour? Mrs. TICE. No; whenever I started to get out, there was cars coming in there, and I guess it probably took me 5 minutes to get out of that parking lot, by the time I walked back up to here and got back in the car. Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your best estimate of when you got home? Mrs. TICE. Well, the children got home from school at 3 o'clock or 2:45. They get out 10 minutes till 3. I was home at 3 o'clock; I was home when the children got there. Well, it may have been 5 or 10 minutes after 3, because I was there before the children came in. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long were you there before the children arrived? Mrs. TICE. I just got there, but I was home. There is no confusing of the time at all.
She knew exactly what time it was, and what time she needed to be home to meet her children.
It is the WC that is confused about the time, trying to match Tice's time with Kantor.
Kantor saw Ruby in the hall near the emergency entrance about 1:30p - Tice saw him within the hour outside that area.
so what? --he was still there - Tice never saw Ruby greet Kantor, Tice obviously saw Ruby after Kantor.
All the mentions of Eva sound as though they were made soon after the shooting,
and within a context of having known the sisters.
Not knowing Jack Ruby on 11/22/63, certainly doesn't mean she didn't know who he is.
Griffin fails to ask sufficient questions re: background in those clubs.
If she did work there, then there is a very good chance she knew Ruby well enough to either work for him or stay away. Something doesn't add up here, either she knew of Jack from the clubs or from the family.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Looking at the disqualifying statement again: The only other person besides Kantor who recalled seeing Ruby at the hospital did not make known her observation until April 1964, had never seen Ruby before, allegedly saw him only briefly then, had an obstructed view, and was uncertain of the time. [WCR page 336]IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.She listened - it was not brief. There was NO obstructed view. She was well aware of the time. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 3, 2019 11:11:44 GMT -5
Mark Lane | Rush to Judgement "Mrs. Tice would tell the FBI that she had been visited by a man claiming to be a reporter and he requested she tell him her story regarding seeing Jack Ruby at PH. The only person she had told so far was Ruby's sister, so she must have told someone who got quite nervous about this to send this fellow over to her. Once Mrs. Tice finished recounting her story the man advised her "not to talk about this anymore." (page 218) see Commission Exhibit 2290"On July 19, 1964, Mrs. Tice told the FBI she got a letter from the Warren Commission at about 2 P.M. and around the same time she received an anonymous telephone call that resulted in the following conversation: see Commission Exhibit 2293 Mrs. Tice: Hello. Male Caller: Mrs. Tice? Mrs. Tice: Hello. Male Caller: It would pay you to keep your mouth shut." (page. 225) "Two days before her appearance before the Commission counsel she received another telephone call at about 1:00 or 1:30 AM and the call awakened her. When she answered the phone the caller hung up. Within moments it rang again and again the caller hung up. She became worried and called her husband, who was at work, at the Dallas Police Department. The police found a 12-foot ladder had been "wedged against the bottom" of the door at the back of the house and that the front door "had been manipulated so that so that this door could not be opened from the inside without forcing it." (pages 224-225) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Warren Commission took the "Ruby not at Parkland incident" very seriously.So much so, they were willing to falsify the facts. A reliable veteran reporter, Seth Kantor, knew Ruby and spoke directly to him, that day. The Commission looks foolish, and the report becomes fraudulent, trying to deny what this man knows, he knows. The actions become even more suspicious, when the Commission then tries to dismiss a second witness to the incident. So, what does all this mean? - Did the WC order witnesses to shut up, or did they threaten bodily harm? Of course not. Did they not call certain essential individuals, and did they not ask certain questions of those that were called. - absolutely. On the street, in the coverup of the assassination, did some individuals have reason to keep people quiet after the fact? - absolutely. Are investigators chopping off leads and information that not does not point to the preconceived solution. - absolutely. Are the public remarks regarding witness intimidation just coincidence?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 3, 2019 11:12:33 GMT -5
They'd better keep....
Amos Euins
National Guardian March 21, 1964
"Dealey Plaza witness Amos Euins refused to speak with or take questions from the media because
“a Secret Service man said I'd be in real trouble if I talked.”
Milton Klein, President, Klein's Sporting Goods.
London Daily Worker | Oct 26, 1964
The owner of KSG, Milton Klein, told Italian reporter Marcelli, “I’ve had more than enough publicity…
and the FBI has warned me to keep my trap shut.” This was after the initial report was released.
Acqulia Clemons
to Mark Lane 1966
"About two, about two days. It was about two days, said I might get hurt, someone might hurt me, if I would talk."
What I saw. He just told me to, be best if I didn’t say anything because I might get hurt."
Warren Reynolds
WC Testimony
"I have no proof. I would say it would be fair to think that somebody shot me on account of they thought I knew something
or had some connection with Lee Oswald.
It was definitely not people that I would know of, and it hadn't been business. I am sure it wasn't in business form."
"Someone unscrewed my light globe one night on the front porch of my house, and someone definitely did it.
Whether it was a jokester or kid, but I have a lamp over the light. They had to take three screws loose to get to my light globe.
They took those off unscrewed my light, and that is for sure. Now, that was around the 20th of February, too."
Gen. Edwin Walker
WC Testimony
"I think there is a definite, I don't know that you could call it evidence, but you can anticipate that people would like to
shut up anybody that knows anything about this case. People right here in Dallas. And I don't think anybody knows,
or would have known at the time after November 22, how much, or how little, Warren Reynolds knew."
"He would become a very good example, regardless of what he knew, to let everybody know that they better keep their mouths shut. "
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 5, 2019 8:24:43 GMT -5
Seth KantorFBI Reports  Dec. 03 1963"Upon entering the southwest portion of the building, he felt someone tug at his coat, and it was Jack Ruby, whom Kantor had known in Dallas, Texas, when Kantor was on the staff of the Dallas Times Herald newspaper. Kantor related that he filed a story for his paper following this, but he did remember the time that Ruby tugged his coat because it was two minutes before Kilduff made the announcement of the President’s death. Kantor states he would place the time at about 1:28 p.m. when Ruby tugged the back of his coat and talked with him." (Kantor Exhibit 7, pp. 428-429) Jan. 02, 1964"Kantor was pointedly told by interviewing agents that Ruby has emphatically denied he was at Parkland Hospital at any time November 22, 1963, or subsequent. Kantor was specifically asked whether he might be mistaken about seeing Ruby there. . .. Kantor reiterated he is absolutely certain he saw and spoke with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22. Kantor was told that he might be called upon to testify in this case. He was asked what he would say if under oath and on the witness stand in a court of law to the question, "Did you see and talk with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963?" Kantor stated that he would answer, "Yes," because he is absolutely certain he did." (Kantor Exhibit 8, page 437)+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Watch the timeline.On May 20, 1964, WC requested the FBI gather all the chain of custody of certain items, for review in the case. One of those was CE 399, the single bullet. I find it curious, statements taken from Seth Kantor in Dec '63 and Jan '64, suddenly have significant relevance in June-July 1964. Kantor testified June 02nd, Ruby testified about Parkland June 07th, and the FBI are talking to Wilma Tice the end of June, and the end of July. On June 12th 1964 SA Odum showed CE 399 to Tomlinson and Wright and that both men more or less said it looked like the bullet they had found on 11/22/63. A June 20, 1964 memo stated neither Tomlinson nor Wright can identify CE 399, but that SA Elmer Todd had initialed the bullet and can identify it. SA Todd's initials are not on CE 399. The bullet found under mysterious circumstances was found in the same building, and at some time after the killer of the alleged assassin was there. Still, the Warren Commission found it necessary to deny that Jack Ruby was at Parkland on the afternoon of Nov 22nd. Now it's the end of June, and the custody of a primary piece of evidence could be in serious doubt. Jack Ruby said he wasn't out at Parkland. Seth Kantor was the only one to claim to have seen him, and he could have been mistaken. Enter Wilma May Tice and the Warren Commission has a problem.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 11, 2019 10:18:14 GMT -5
Did you know people in Dallas, who ran some of the other nightclubs? Mr. KANTOR. Well, I would like to say that a little more than 6 months have passed and I think I have doubted almost anything in searching my memory which has happened over a period of 6 months or more in my lifetime. I think if you think about something a good deal you wonder whether it actually happened. However, I was indelibly sure at the time and have continued to be so that the man who stopped me and with whom I talked was Jack Ruby. I feel strongly about it because I had known Jack Ruby and he did call me by my first name as he came up behind me, and at that moment under the circumstances it was a fairly normal conversation. The questioning becomes comical as Griffin tries to toss a line into the record,
...perhaps there was another club owner you are confusing this man with? Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any acquaintances that you had in Dallas while you were there, who you in the past had mistaken for Jack Ruby? Have you ever had the experience of seeing somebody else and mistaking him for Jack Ruby? Mr. KANTOR. I see what you mean. No; that never occurred at any time. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know people in Dallas who ran some of the other nightclubs? Mr. KANTOR. I had met Mr. Barney Weinstein who operates at least a couple of strip joints that I know of, and that was on one occasion when I was doing a story on a stripteaser named Candy Barr and that occasion was when I was going down to the State prison where she was living at the time to do a story on her for the paper and that was the only time I had met Mr. Weinstein. However, there is a booking agent in Dallas whose nickname is Pappy, I have his name in my notes here somewhere. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that Pappy Dolson? Mr. KANTOR. D-o-l-s-o-n, that is right. I had done a story on him, and he was well acquainted with Jack Ruby, I knew, and then I saw him while I remained in Dallas after the assassination, spoke to him and interviewed him for a story. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do either Weinstein or Dolson bear any resemblance to Jack Ruby? Mr. KANTOR. None. None, nothing that close that I would mistake them. Neither one, I don't believe, either, would stop me in the passageway of the hospital after I had been gone for a year and a half and call me by my first name, I don't think they would remember me that easily or have any special reason to call me by my first name. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I was indelibly sure at the time and have continued to be so that the man who stopped me and with whom I talked was Jack Ruby."I also have no doubt, as a trained observer and paid fact finder, that this is an extremely reliable witness.
His note taking and consistency through the years has been spot on, with little or no discrepancies.
It is absurd to think anybody could mistake Jack Ruby for anybody else, or Seth Kantor would have confused the time or place of that meeting.
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