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Post by Tom Sorensen on Oct 10, 2022 3:53:19 GMT -5
In this thread I'll offer my opinion on the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case. As there is a plethora of sources available online and in print, I'll assume familiarity with the case from anyone reading this thread, thus no introduction to the case will be given. Over the years I believe I've seen most if not all of the documentaries on the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case and it boggles my mind how many still try to make the evidence fit the so-called intruder theory. To me, based on the available evidence, there is zero doubt that we're dealing with a cover-up staged by John Ramsey and supported by Patsy Ramsey.
However, the murder itself need not be an inside job due to the fact that several keys to the house were floating around among friends of the house, including the house keeper. The cause of death, "asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma.", opens for all sorts of speculation as it's unclear if the blow to the head happened before or after she was strangled1.
I'll list the various pieces of evidence that I know of in the case in order of importance and show where they lead us. Some evidence will suggest related anomalies that support certain scenarios and rule out others. But before I dive into the evidence I'd like to mention two other cases to keep in mind having some eerie similarities to the Jonbenet case:
- The 2007 disappearance of 3-year-old Madeleine McCann
- The 2018 disappearance of 68-year-old Anne-Elisabeth Hagen
In these cases the targets of the alleged abductions were never found but there are strong evidence of foul play and cover-up.
British born Madeleine Mccann disappeared during a vacation in Portugal and the Portuguese police immediately suspected foul play as the parents within minutes after her disappearance began pushing an abduction scenario although no trace of an abductor was found. The alleged abductor(s) never made contact with the McCanns. To this day not a shred of evidence to support the abduction theory has surfaced. Despite this fact, the UK mainstream media keep pushing the pedophile/trafficking scenario and a UK government sponsored "investigation" continues to waste time and money looking for this fantasy pedophile abductor. A recap of the case on this board: LINKNorwegian born Anne-Elisabeth Hagen disappeared from her home in Norway one morning after her husband had left for work. In this case a ransom note was found but within a few weeks also the Norwegian police suspected foul play. The foul play motive is more straight forward than in the McCann case since the Hagen couple seemed to have marital problems and Tom Hagen (the husband) would likely lose a substantial chunk of his multi-million business empire in a divorce settlement. A recap of the case on this board: LINKNext up will be a series of posts discussing the evidence in the case, ranked from #1 onward, where #1 is the most defining one in the case and may even be considered the key clue of the case. The lower ranked evidence, but not necessary less important as such, will further support the probable scenarios or narrow down the number of scenarios. Or they will help establish a timeline and possibly destroy a fake timeline as part of a coverup.
_________________________ 1 There seems to be widespread agreement that the head trauma occurred first due to the observed swelling of the brain and the strangulation happened later to cause her death although the untreated blow to the head would eventually have killed her.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Oct 21, 2022 13:39:32 GMT -5
#1 THE RANSOM NOTE
If there's one piece of evidence that stands out in this case it must be the ransom note, allegedly found on the spiral staircase leading to the second floor where Jonbenet and Burke had their bedrooms. There is one immediate conclusion that can be drawn even without dissecting the ransom note: Leaving a ransom note behind along with the body of the person supposed to be held ransom is plain nuts. Makes zero sense. We're dealing with a murder, staged as an abduction gone wrong.
It has been shown that just replicating the three page note would take at least 20 minutes and add to that a rehearsed note was also found1. The pad and pen used (ink-matched to note) was sourced from the house so we know2 that whoever penned the note did so while in the house! This leaves us with only two choices: The note was written prior to Johnbenet being taken or after she was taken and killed. Does it make any sense that a kidnapper, or kidnappers, would sit down and waste half an hour improvising a ransom note before grabbing their victim? Likewise, does it make any sense to leave a ransom note behind as evidence when the kidnapping had been definitively abandoned? The answers are No and No. For the ransom note to make any sense we must assume that whoever wrote the note expected to make the body disappear prior to the police arriving at the house. Or, at least being able to conceal the body during an initial search which is actually what happened! So why waste precious time crafting a three page note when it could have been done in a minute...
WE HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER GET $118,000 IN $100 and $20 NOTES
INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW
DON'T CALL THE POLICE OR SHE DIES
S.B.T.C.3
The $32,000 question then becomes: What was the purpose of crafting a three page note? There can be only one viable explanation: To divert attention from the Ramseys themselves to employees or acquaintances who might be aware of John's $118.000 X-mas bonus. I believe that this bizarre amount was chosen for two reasons. Firstly, to send the police on a wild goose chase in search of the person who leaked this amount to the kidnappers. Secondly, given John Ramsey's standing, this would allow him to get hold of the cash rather quickly (on 12/26) and give him a reason to leave the house alone and dispose of the body.
Now to the $64,000 question: What caused the staged abduction plan to go south? I believe the reason was what's known by chess players as 'time trouble'. You're approaching a time control while required to complete a certain number of moves. On 12/26 their time control was roughly 6 a.m. because they had to catch John's private airplane to Michigan scheduled at 7 a.m. At 6 a.m. they had to have realized that Jonbenet had disappeared and John would have needed to cancel the flight, which he did4. He could have used any BS explanation (which he didn't) if the 911 call had not been made but calling off or postponing the flight was a forced move.
The placement of the note is another hint at a staged scenario. Where would you have placed the note to make absolutely sure it was found? Correct, on Jonbenet's bed. Instead, according to Patsy, it was placed on the backstairs leading to the second floor. Unless you knew the Ramseys would descend that spiral staircase at the back each morning to get to the kitchen this choice makes no sense. So either Patsy made this up to somehow fit their timeline or John Ramsey put it there for Patsy to find. This implies that Patsy was not necessarily aware of a fake kidnapping being concocted at that time. Again, there's no corroboration for her claim and I tend to believe this was chosen to add drama to her narrative: She finds the note stating "we have your daughter", rushes up to Jonbenet's room and finds the bed empty, then starts screaming her head off. Whoever wrote the note (several handwriting experts disagree) must have been known to the Ramseys if it wasn't one of the Ramseys.
_______________ 1 I haven't been able to find a picture of the rehearsed note, does anyone know of a source?
2 Caveat alert: Similar pad and pen, likely "sourced" from the Ramseys, were found at the housekeeper's residence.
3 Has anyone noticed there was no period after the "C" in the original note?
4 The co-pilot took the call and John told him Jonbenet had been kidnapped. Why do the opposite of what the ransom note said?
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Oct 22, 2022 13:06:02 GMT -5
#2a THE 911 CALL -- IS THERE A CEO PRESENT?
You can find a number of analysis of Patsy's 911 call and what is being said when she thinks she has hung up but I think it's equally important to point something out that I don't recall having seen mentioned anywhere: why didn't John make the call?
If the Ramseys are telling the truth about the discovery of the ransom note, despite some inconsistencies about what happened right after Patsy found the three page note, there can bee no doubt that John Ramsey would have taken charge of the situation and read the note before any 911 call was placed. The note explicitly states that he, John Ramsey, is not to call the police (or anyone else) and that they are being monitored, so what are the odds that he would do the exact opposite of what is required by him thus allowing his wife to call 911? They must be astronomical as John Ramsey is president and CEO of a company where he's used to take difficult decisions when under pressure. Why would the president and CEO of a billion dollar company not call 911 himself and stay in control if he decided not to do as told? Instead he's supposed to tell his hysterical wife to call 911 and possibly getting their daughter killed. it's complete nonsense.
This leaves us with only two options: Whatever happened at the Ramsey residence, Patsy freaked out and called 911, despite John trying to control the situation, or she was instructed to call 911. The 911 operator later told that she felt something wasn't quite right with that 911 call. It seems to me that Patsy is trying to stick to some scripted phrases which causes her to be out of sync with what the operator is asking.
Why would she say "We have a kidnapping" when she actually could have said "My daughter has been kidnapped"? She then almost repeats her firsts statement: "There...we have a....there's a note left...". There's no doubt in my mind that John had written down, or rehearsed, her talking points. I suspect when Patsy punched 9-1-1 and realized there's no way back; she literally freaked out when the operator answered the call. As pointed out by The Behavior Panel on YouTube: If you call 911 because your house is on fire would you say "We have a fire" or would you say "My house is on fire!"?
One more thing to consider: Why did Patsy hang up on the operator? Why call 911 if you actually need help and then hang up? I only see two possible explanations. She ran out of talking points or was interrupted. I'm putting my money on the second option. It wouldn't surprise me if it was Burke unexpectedly showing up, although he was supposed to stay in his room, and she couldn't handle the situation but had to hang up.
On the Larry King show Patsy tried to BS her way out of this anomaly involving intelligible voices in the background (captured on the 911 recording) supposedly after she thought to have hung up the phone. She argued that immediately calling her friends post 911 call would have been impossible unless the phone was hung up. Indeed, so why was it more important to call her friends, further violating the demands RE ransom note, instead of receiving guidance from the 911 operator? Have phone records in fact established that those friends were called after she hung up on the 911 operator? Huge red flags!
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Nov 10, 2022 10:01:56 GMT -5
#2b THE 911 CALL -- FALSE PRETEXTThe Ramsey's alarm clock was supposedly set to 5:30 a.m. They often arrived late for take-off, as much as half an hour, but this time John Ramsey was determined to get there in time. He must have discussed this with Patsy. I'll bet the most likely reason for arriving late was the kids. What would be the first thing on the kids' minds when waking up on December 26? Exactly, their new toys. What would be the the likely cause of a delay? Exactly, Jonbenet and Burke playing with their toys instead of getting dressed. The obvious way to alleviate that problem would be to wake the kids right after one of the parents got up. Yet none of the parents dealt with the kids until after the ransom note is found at around 5:45. John got up at 5:25 and was still in his underwear when Patsy ran upstairs. Did John waste 15 minutes in the shower and wasn't even dressed 20 minutes after he got up knowing they were on a tight schedule? As for Patsy, she claimed not to have showered (really?) but put on makeup and got dressed wearing the same outfit as on the 25th (really?), then went to the 2nd floor and began messing with Jonbenet's dress but did not wake the kids who had their bedrooms on the same floor! Then went downstairs to make coffee but found the ransom note on the spiral staircase.
After reading the first few lines and realizing that her daughter has been taken, this unbelievable narrative becomes even more unbelievable: She rushes back up the staircase, enters Johnbenet's bedroom and finds her bed empty. Johnbenet was known, on occasion, to sleep in the second bed in Burke's room. Despite knowing this she does not check Burke's room and does not even check if Burke is in his room and unharmed. John Ramsey's account of when he, Patsy, or both of them checked on Burke is so [expletive] that it makes no sense. At least Patsy's hormonal response, being the mother of Jonbenet and Burke, would have instantly maxed out when she found the ransom note, so whatever she did from the moment she realized Johnbenet was taken until she called 911 would have been etched into her memory. Their narrative is utter B-U-L-L.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Dec 16, 2022 3:41:35 GMT -5
#2c THE 911 CALL -- AN AMBULANCE NEEDED?A lot of effort has gone into cleaning up the audio of Patsy Ramsey's 911 call 1 after she thought she'd hung up on the dispatcher. It appears that faint voices can be heard in the background, supposedly John Ramsey and Burke, who was supposed to be in bed at the time. There're different interpretation of what the bystanders might have said, but it's unclear to me what's actually being said. What I find equally interesting is what Patsy says at the very beginning of the call. She's actually talking before the 911 dispatcher acknowledges the call. Listen carefully from the 0:09 mark. Patsy is either conversing somebody or she's delivering her message prior to the dispatcher initiating the conversation 2. It's like Patsy is one of those wind-up toys that takes off full tilt, then loses power as the spring winds out. This is what I hear her say: "Hurry! [interrupted] Hurry, we need an [pause] police!“ As you'll see in the transcript, her initial words are not captured. I've only seen a few discussion groups picking up on this mistake by Patsy. If indeed a Freudian slip, she must have seen Jonbenet's body, or knew she was injured, but it doesn't explain why she would call 911 as this can only disrupt any plausible kidnapping scenario. When asked by the dispatcher "How long ago was this?", Patsy answered "I don't know" but adds "I just got the note". Initially she said "There's a note left", so which is it? When asked the second time "Do you know how long she's been gone?", Patsy answered "No I don't. Please we--we just got up and she's not here. Oh my god! Please!" The we pronoun stutter is not convincing and if she tucked in Jonbenet around 10 p.m. and they got up 5:30 a.m. at the latest, Patsy does know that Jonbenet had been taken between 10 p.m. and 5:30 a.m. Why not give the dispatcher something to work with? Patsy did remember to mention "we--we just got up", which suggests that she and John could have nothing to do with either the ransom note or the disappearance of Jonbenet. As I've argued in the book review thread she's likely lying, so she's already started narrative building. Further, when asked who took her (Jonbenet) Patsy once again answered "I don't know" even though it's stated in the very first sentence of the note they (the kidnappers) "represent a small foreign faction". Wouldn't an initial best guess be that some foreigners took her? In contrast, Patsy recalled the note saying, quote "S.B.T.C. Victory!". Quite remarkable, as Patsy during police interviews had no clue what S.B.T.C. meant. Pure math tells us that if Patsy had picked four random letters matching this combination, the chances would have been one in 26 to the power of 4 -- that is one in 456,976! Unless she had total recall, the probability of picking the right combination is less than slim to say the least. Since John was on the floor reading the note, why does she say "it says S.B.T.C. Victory!", as if she's holding the note, with the twist that she should have said "Victory! S.B.T.C."? All this only makes sense if Patsy at least co-authored the note.
One more anomaly to take note of is Patsy's excessive use of ingratiation: Please, please, please! It's the same thing we see in the phony Michael Peterson3 911 call where also the hurry thing is repeated along with the weird panting. In Patsy's case, what's the hurry? Jonbenet has likely been gone for hours and the note says she's safe and unharmed. Patsy's concern when the first police officer arrived was getting the ransom money. John has more than 24 hours to withdraw his bonus so what's the point of asking the police to hurry and disobey the demands in the ransom note?
Here's the kicker: Why comply with the demand for $118,000.00 to have Jonbenet back unharmed BUT at the same time call the police and bring friends over, while being monitored, when this would result in a 99% chance of their daughter being killed?
OK, this post already got longer than expected so I'll do a "#2d" post to wrap up the 911 conundrum and suggest a reason for Patsy to place the 911 call. Stay tuned! ________________ 1 YT-PATSY-9112 As of this being posted, I believe Patsy says "Hurry!".
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Feb 12, 2023 14:42:54 GMT -5
#2d THE 911 CALL -- RANSOM HOAX DISRUPTED
First, the CEO argument I put forward in the "#2a" post can be made stronger since we know John was also a pilot. Anyone who has seen National Geographic's Air Crash Investigation series knows that the recipe for disaster includes panic and confusion. I don't know how many hours John had logged in an airplane, but he was experienced and would know that panic erupting in a cockpit can be deadly. This makes his alleged behavior when reading the ransom note completely out of character. There's no way he'd let hysterical Patsy call 911.
OK, so let's recap: leaving the dead body of a person to be kidnapped along with the ransom note makes no sense whatsoever. If the kidnapper intended to kill the person to be ransomed anyway, leaving the body behind also makes no sense. Hence, we're dealing with a fake ransom note and a cover up gone wrong.
Anyone involved in creating the note "found" in the Ramsey home would know that the purpose of the note was to justify the "disappearance" of Jonbenet. If Patsy authored the note, there's no way she would not be aware of this, and thus she knew Jonbenet was dead. Not only did the note justify the disappearance of Jonbenet, but it also gave John and/or Patsy more than a 24-hour timeout to execute and refine their plan to cover up Jonbenet's death.
With this in mind, assuming Patsy's involvement, why would she deliberately call 911 knowing the body had not yet been removed from the house? The only plausible explanation I see is that she realized that John was about to double cross her. She might even have feared for her own life. This might explain why she also called the Whites and the Fernies. The question then becomes: what triggered her to call 911?
Did Patsy notice, maybe while wrapping the body, that Jonbenet was also strangled and her paint brush was part of the "garotte"? The 911 call has a weird blend of initial panic and being scripted. Patsy is in such a hurry that she talks before the dispatcher has acknowledged the call, and the very first info she provides is the address, although that's not what she is being asked. It's like she wants to make sure at least the address is known in case she's unable to continue the conversation.
The 911 call indicates that Patsy at that moment has jumped ship. But what's even more mind-boggling is how she's back on board in less than 10 minutes as officer Rick French arrives! She's now fully behind the abduction scenario, getting the ransom money e.t.c., so what was being discussed between John and Patsy? John must have convinced her that if he got busted, she would go down with him. Likewise, Patsy might have disclosed stuff she knew about John to keep him in check. Patsy had several opportunities to hint at foul play when interacting with detective Linda Arndt, but must have calculated her odds to be less favorable if leaking details about the cover up.
A scenario rarely discussed, which supports a panic 911 call, is John being the author of the ransom note but emulating Patsy's handwriting. When Patsy found the note, or even was handed the note by John, she realized her handwriting had been faked, implicating her in the abduction of her own daughter. She would likely also have recognized the paper, and possibly the pen, being used as hers. However, it still doesn't explain her slip-up requesting an ambulance if she genuinely believed Jonbenet was abducted and consequently no longer in the house.
OK, I'll leave the 911 call for now and move on to evidence ranked #3, Jonbenet's hairbands.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Feb 23, 2023 16:10:07 GMT -5
#3 JONBENET'S HAIRBANDS
Below is an excerpt from the actual autopsy report1 describing how her hair was tied, involving both elastic bands and a cloth band. Does anyone believe that Patsy would not have removed those bands before tugging her in? No way, and that's why John came up with his BS story about Jonbenet falling asleep in the car after a very exhausting day and him carrying her upstairs, and putting her to bed.
It's pretty obvious to me that John and/or Patsy at some point realized how this slip-up in the staging of the body was a dead giveaway of Jonbenet never making it to bed. The initial bedtime story reported by officer Rick French makes it even more unreasonable that the hairbands were not being noticed when Jonbenet was tucked in. It suggests to me that Patsy wasn't likely an active part in the staging of the body in the basement.
In the abduction scenario, Jonbenet's clothing and hair accessories could be dealt with at a later time after removal of the body from the house. But how about the blanket/dress from the second floor dryer? Was this another sneaky way of implicating the housekeeper while at the same time widening the trail of breadcrumbs leading to Patsy? Who else would look in the dryer for a specific blanket?
Covering a victim after the killing out of respect, or some other emotional attachment to the victim, is detective 101. What ever happened or was agreed, John Ramsey was ready to double-cross Patsy at any time further down the line, which is why John arranged for him and Patsy to have separate lawyers. This allowed John to discuss any detail of the case, including possibly dumping Patsy, if he at some point was cornered and needed to trade information for a reduced sentence.
Up next, ranked #4, will be the oversized panties Jonenet was dressed in when found in the basement. _______________
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