Post by Michael Capasse on May 26, 2020 10:38:55 GMT -5
Dealey Plaza Witnesses
There are a number of witnesses in Dealey Plaza that reported things very different than the official findings. Sightings of other men on the 6th floor, on the other side of the 6th floor, and on other floors. Some were ignored, and along with different accounts from around the plaza, they all raise doubts about the final conclusion.
Below are the clickable links to some of these witnesses
Post by Michael Capasse on May 26, 2020 10:39:20 GMT -5
Carolyn Walther worked on the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex building. She went out at about 12:20p to watch the parade, walked with her friend a short ways and crossed Houston St. She was there when the man had the epileptic seizure, and the ambulance took him away.
A short time later, while looking around, and before the president's arrival, she saw two men in the upper floors of TSBD, one wore a light colored shirt, the other a brown suit coat. Once the shooting began, she described more than 3 shots, some very close together.
She was not called by the Warren Commission.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date 12/5/63
Mrs. ERIC (CAROLYN) WALTHER, 4118 Shelley, Dallas, Texas, Stated she is employed in the cutting room for Miller and Randazzo, a dress factory, on the third floor of the Dal-Tex Mart Building, 501 Elm Street, Dallas.
"...Shortly after the ambulance left, she looked back towards the TSBD Building and saw a man standing on either the fourth of fifth floors, of the window on the south side of the building, which faces toward Elm Street. This man had the window open and was standing up leaning out the window with both his hands extended outside the window ledge. In his hands, this man was holding a rifle with the barrel pointed downward, and the man was looking south on Houston Street. The man was wearing a white shirt and had hand blond or light brown hair."
"...This man was standing in about the middle of the window. In this same window, to the left of this man, she could see a portion of another man standing by the side of the man with a rifle. This other man was standing erect, and his head was above the opened portion of the window. As the window was very dirty, she could not see the head of this second man. She is positive this window was not as high as the sixth floor. This second man was apparently wearing a brown suit coat, and the only thing she could see was the right side of the man, from about the waist to the shoulders."
Almost immediately after noticing this man with the rifle and the other man standing beside him, someone in the crowd said "Here they come." and she looked to her left, looking south on Houston Street, to see the Presidential Party. As soon as President KENNEDY's car passed where she was standing, she and Mrs. SPRINGER turned away and stared walking north towards Elm Street.
"...At about the time they reached the curb at Elm Street, she heard a loud report and thought it was fireworks. There was a pause after the first report, then a second and third report almost at the same time, and then a pause followed by at least one and possibly more reports. The noise seemed to come from up in the air, but she never looked up in that direction. When the second report sounded, she decided it was gunfire, so she and Mrs. SPRINGER started diagonally across the street toward the TSBD Building.
Post by Michael Capasse on May 26, 2020 10:39:46 GMT -5
James Worrell was a high school senior that had skipped school to see the president. He said he was at Love Field just as JFK arrived and decided to he couldn't get a good view so he scrambled to Dealey Plaza and made it there in time.
Once there, he happened to be directly in front of TSBD. When the first shot rang out, he looked up and saw the rifle sticking out the window. I'm not sure where he was standing horizontal along the sidewalk, but Worrell saw the rifle beyond the building and that corroborates what Carolyn Walther told researcher Jim Marrs that,"His hands were extended out the window" .
Mr. SPECTER - I show you a photograph which has been identified as Commission Exhibit 360 and I will ask you if you can identify what that building is?
Mr. WORRELL - That is the Depository.
Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now on this picture will you again, with an "X," mark where you were standing as closely as you can recollect it.
Mr. WORRELL - That car is in the way.
Mr. SPECTER - All right. Put a mark then right above where the car is, indicating where you were standing on the sidewalk near that building. (Witness marking.)
Yesterday afternoon at approximately 12:30 PM I was standing on the sidewalk against the building on the corner of Elm and Houston Street watching the motorcade of the president. I heard a loud noise like a firecracker or gunshots. I looked around the where the noise was coming from. I looked up and saw the barrel of the rifle poking out the window over my head about five or six stories up. While I was looking at the gun it was fired again. I looked back at Mr. Kennedy and he was slumping over.
I got scared and ran from the location. While I was running I heard the gunfire two more times. I ran from Elm Street to Pacific Street on Houston. When I was about 100 yards from the building, I stopped to get my breath and looked back at the building. I saw a w/m 5' 8" - 5' 10", dark hair, average weight for height, dark shirt or jacket open down front, no hat didn't have anything in his hands, come out of the building and run in the opposite direction from me. I then caught a bus to my home. texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338645/m1/1/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Testimony vs. Affidavit
He told the Commission he heard 3 shots while at TSBD, and 1 before running, his affidavit said he heard 2 shots at TSBD and 2 while running. Regardless, this is important testimony, reverberation is not the same factor once behind Houston St and out of the plaza. Echo would not be a factor at all below the gun at the top of the plaza. Carolyn Walther also said she heard 4 shots.
Mr. SPECTER - After the third shot, did you hear a fourth shot? Mr. WORRELL - Oh, yes. Just as I got to the corner of Exhibit 360, I heard the fourth shot.
Post by Michael Capasse on May 26, 2020 10:40:09 GMT -5
Back Door Man
The most important part of testimony comes, when he describes a man he saw running from TSBD. This diagram from "Six Seconds in Dallas" clearly demonstrates both men's location.
Looking at this Diagram, Worrell was all the way left on Houston, and there is no echo that could delay that long. As he paused to catch his breath, he saw a man run out of the back of TSBD. He was a young man, brown sport coat, dark hair, and it was about 3 minutes after the last shot. Carolyn Walther also said she saw a second man in the window, in a brown suit coat.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ James Worrell | WC Testimony
Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now will you put a "Z" where you first saw the man whom you have just described or mentioned? Mr. WORRELL - It is here I am pretty sure, I am not positive. (Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER - You are pretty sure - but you can't be positive - but you are pretty sure? Mr. WORRELL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Okay. Now describe as best you can the man whom you have testified you saw at point "Z." Mr. WORRELL - Describe his appearance?
Mr. SPECTER - Yes. Start by telling us how tall he was, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate? Mr. WORRELL - To the - it is going to be within 3 inches, 5-7 to 5-10.
Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his weight? Mr. WORRELL - 155 to 165.
Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his height? Mr. WORRELL - 5-7, 5-10.
Mr. SPECTER - Pardon me, your best estimate as to his age.
Mr. WORRELL - Well, the way he was running, I would say he was in his late twenties or middle - I mean early thirties. Because he was fast moving on.
Mr. SPECTER - Of what race was he? Mr. WORRELL - White.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe the characteristics of his hair? Mr. WORRELL - Black.
Mr. SPECTER - Did he have -- Mr. WORRELL - Well, I will say brunette.
Mr. SPECTER - Did he have a full head of hair, a partial head of hair, or what?
Mr. WORRELL - Well, see, I didn't see his face, I just saw the back of his head and it was full in back. I don't know what the front looked like. But it was full in back.
Mr. SPECTER - What clothes did the man have on? Mr. WORRELL - Dark, like a jacket like that.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating a dark gray jacket? Mr. WORRELL - No, no. It was a jacket like that.
Mr. SPECTER - A suit jacket? Mr. WORRELL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Or was it a sports jacket? Mr. WORRELL - Sports jacket.
Mr. SPECTER - Did not have on matching coat and trousers? Mr. WORRELL - No.
Mr. SPECTER - Was it dark in color or light?
Mr. WORRELL - It was dark in color. I don't know whether it was blue, black, or brown, but it was dark, and he had light pants. And that is all I can say on his clothes, except his coat was open and kind of flapping back in the breeze when he was running.
Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe him do if, anything?
Mr. WORRELL - Well, when he ran out here, he ran along the side of the Depository Building and then when he got --
Mr. SPECTER - Make a dotted line as to where he went, or take this black pencil and make a line as to where he went. (Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER - Is that the last you saw of him? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - And did something come between you and him so that your vision was obstructed? Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What obstructed your view of him at that juncture or at that point? Mr. WORRELL - I can't really be sure, it was a building, but the type of building, I don't know.
Mr. SPECTER - During the course of your seeing him, did you ever get a view of his face? Mr. WORRELL - Oh, no, no.
Post by Michael Capasse on May 29, 2020 10:44:20 GMT -5
The Warren Commission accepted Mr. Worrell's testimony, as he may have suggested Lee exited the building. Although he heard four shots and he never saw the young man's face, the man had dark hair, and a dark over shirt.
What Lee wore should not be accepted as a sport coat, that would be a suit coat without a matching trouser. It would have side pockets, a lapel, and a few buttons. Lee had no sport coat on, and should not be mistaken for one. There were however, what we called, "CPOs", from Army Navy stores, these were like jackets for Chief Petty Officers. Though Worrell was not describing that either, Spector tried to get a more generic term into the record. And actually, James said yes to both suit coat and sport coat. They are the same.
What the members could not accept was another witness that might've seen this man get into a car. Or have seen the man's face, and to know it was not Lee Harvey Oswald, that was the man he saw 6 floors up.
So Richard Randolph Carr was never called by the Warren Commission, in spite FBI reports forwarded to the staff.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Randolph Carr is a clue to the JFK assassination. Posted on December 12, 2016 by Steven Hager
"During his FBI interview Carr was told something along the lines of: “If you didn’t see Lee Harvey Oswald with a gun on the sixth floor, you didn’t see anything and better keep your mouth shut.” So Carr did exactly that until the Garrison investigation emerged several years later.
As he moved closer to the scene, he saw three men flee in a Rambler station wagon, easily recognized by a unique mini-luggage rack. Carr began receiving death threats telling him to leave Texas. He moved to Montana, where Garrison tracked him down.
When Carr testified in New Orleans, many important details were added to the sketchy FBI statement. He managed to miraculously survive two murder attempts, one by gun and one by knife. When stabbed in Atlanta, he managed to kill one of his two assailants, a remarkable feat. He died in West Virginia on August 4, 1996, and was never located by the Congressional investigation, although they did make note of his contributions to the case."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Carr | Shaw Trial Testimony
MR. GARRISON: Yes, the State would add that Mr. Carr is about as expert in the sounds of gunfire as you could be and still be walking around.
MR. DYMOND: If the Court please, this gentleman may have been fired at many times, but he does not know what type of rifles were being fired, he was never called upon to distinguish as between sounds of various different rifles, and if you hold this man out as an expert, every many including myself who was in combat during World War II would be an expert. I certainly don't hold myself out as one.
THE COURT: I rule that Mr. Carr is qualified as an expert and can give his opinion on whether a shot or a noise he heard is from a rifle or not, but not what type rifle.
MR. DYMOND: To which ruling Counsel objects and reserves a bill of exception, making all the testimony up until this point, the Defense objection, the Court's ruling, and the entire record parts of the bill.
MR. GARRISON: The Judge has ruled that you can tell us whether or not the noise you heard was from a rifle but not what type rifle.
THE WITNESS: No, sir, I would not say what type of a rifle, I would not say it was a thirty aught six --
MR. DYMOND: Objection, there was no question asked.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Let's go back to where we were and can you tell us what you heard?
A: Yes, a pipe fitter and myself were standing on the Seventh Floor of the -- on the outside of the structure of this courthouse, we were looking, as I told before in my statement the FBI and everyone else --
MR. DYMOND: I object to his previous statements to the FBI, Your Honor. THE COURT: Answer the question.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: You can go on and tell us what you observed, tell us what you observed and what you heard.
A: All right. As I stated before, I noticed this fellow in the window, and this gentleman, the pipe fitter and myself, he made the statement to --
MR. DYMOND: I object to what the man made a statement concerning.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: You can say what you said. A: I thought he was a Secret Agent man or an FBI man.
Q: What did the man in the window look like?
A: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.
Q: Go ahead. A: He had on a tie, he had on a light shirt, a tan sport coat.
Q: Now, after the shots, did you notice any movement of any kind -- A: Yes, I did.
Q: -- as unusual, that was unusual? A: Yes, I did.
Post by Michael Capasse on May 29, 2020 10:44:53 GMT -5
Drive by Carr
F. Irvin Dymond is the defense attorney for Mr. Shaw. He made several objections to try and keep out what Mr. Carr had to say. Carr told the jury the man he saw with a rifle, was not Lee Harvey Oswald. There were three men from the direction of TSBD, that jumped into a car moments after the shooting. Refer to the above diagram, as the car continued to move behind the plaza.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Carr | Shaw Trial Testimony
A: Should I point it out, sir? Q: Yes.
A: At this point right here, at this School Book Depository there was a Rambler Station Wagon there with a rack on the back, built on the top of this.
Q: Which way was the station wagon facing? A: It was parked on the wrong side of the street, next to the School Book Depository heading north.
Q: North being the top of the photo map, north is the top as you have indicated?
A: North is the top, and it was headed in this direction towards the railroad tracks, and immediately after the shooting there was three men that emerged from behind the School Book Depository, there was a Latin, I can't say whether he was Spanish, Cuban, but he was real dark-complected, stepped out and opened the door, there was two men entered that station wagon, and the Latin drove it north on Houston.
The car was in motion before the rear door was closed, and this one man got in the front, and then he slid in from the -- from the driver's side over, and the Latin got back and they proceeded north and it was moving before the rear door was closed, and the other man that I described to you being in this window which would have been one, two, the third window over here came across the street, he came down, coming towards the construction site on Houston Street, to Commerce, in a very big hurry, he came to Commerce Street and he turned toward town on Commerce Street and every once in a while he would look over his shoulder as if he was being followed.
Q: Now, Mr. Carr, did you have occasion to give this information to any law enforcement agencies? A: Yes, I did.
Q: Did anyone tell you not to say anything about this? A: Yes.
MR. DYMOND: I object to what anyone told him, Your Honor, on the grounds it's hearsay.
THE COURT: A moment ago you asked Mrs. Parker if anybody threatened her. Is it your question, Mr. Garrison, whether or not Mr. Carr was threatened by someone? Is your question to the witness a question of whether or not anyone threatened Mr. Carr?
MR. GARRISON: I will rephrase it.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Did anyone threaten you?
MR. DYMOND: At this time we object to the Court's suggesting questions to Counsel for the State. The suggested question is completely different from the question previously propounded by the State. This is not the function of a Trial Judge in any trial.
MR. GARRISON: May it please the Court, I will phrase my own questions on this.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Mr. Carr, did you talk to any FBI agents about this incident? A: Yes, I did.
Q: Did they tell you to forget about it? MR. DYMOND: I object to that as hearsay.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: Were you threatened in any way --
THE COURT: I sustain the objection. You cannot tell us the words used by someone who spoke to you because of hearsay; however, you can state that you had conversations with them and what did you do as a result of the conversation, I will permit that.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: As the result of the conversations with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, what did you do? A: I done as I was instructed, I shut my mouth.
Q: Were you called to testify before the Warren Commission? A: No, sir.
Post by Michael Capasse on May 29, 2020 10:45:15 GMT -5
FBI Statement | Jan 04, 1964 Richard Randolph Carr
"While I was on Houston St. near the Commerce St. intersection I saw a man whom I believe was identical with the man I had earlier seen looking out of the window of the Texas School Book Depository building.
This man, walking very fast, proceeded on Houston St. south to Commerce St., then east on Commerce St. to Records St. which is one block from Houston St.
This man got into a 1961 or 1962 Grey Rambler Station Wagon, which was parked just north of Commerce on Records St. The station wagon, which had Texas license and was driven by a young negro man, drove off in a northerly direction."
"The FBI came to my house--there were two of them-- and they said they heard I witnessed the assassination, and I said I did.
They told me, "If you didn't see Lee Harvey Oswald up in the School Book Depository with a rifle, you didn't witness it." I said, "Well, the man I saw on television that they tell me is Lee Harvey Oswald was not in the window of the School Book Depository. That's not the man."
And [one of the agents] said I better keep my mouth shut. He did not ask me what I saw, he told me what I saw."
Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2020 10:13:32 GMT -5
Roger Dean Craig joined the Dallas County Sheriff's Office as a Deputy in 1959. He was promoted four times while there. and was awarded department, "Man of the Year" in 1960 for the capture of an international jewel thief.
He was on duty in the plaza, directing traffic at the time of the assassination. A few minutes after the shooting, he saw a man, running down the slope of grass along the side of TSBD on Elm Street. This man got into a light colored, Nash Rambler station wagon.
Remember, Richard Carr described a light colored Nash Rambler, at the top of the plaza. Later that afternoon, Craig recognized the man he saw get into that car, as Lee Harvey Oswald.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roger Craig | Sheriff’s Report 11/23/63
"About this time I heard a shrill whistle and I turned around and saw a white male running down the hill from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository building and I saw what I think was a light colored Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top pull over to the curb and the subject who had come running down the hill got into the car.
I reported this incident at once to a secret service officer whose name I do not know, then I left this area and went at once to the building and assisted in the search of the building.
Later that afternoon, I went to the City Hall and identified the suspect they had in custody as being the same person I saw running down this hill and get into the station wagon and leave the scene."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roger Craig | WC Testimony
Mr. CRAIG - Captain Fritz then asked him about the---uh---he said, "What about this station wagon?" And the suspect interrupted him and said, "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine"--- I believe is what he said. "Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it."
And--uh--Captain Fritz then told him, as close as I can remember, that, "All we're trying to do is find out what happened, and this man saw you leave from the scene."
And the suspect again interrupted Captain Fritz and said, "I told you people I did." And--uh--yeah--then, he said--then he continued and he said, "Everybody will know who I am now."
Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2020 10:14:09 GMT -5
The Nash Rambler
Refer to the above map once more. Three additional witnesses saw the same light colored Nash Rambler along Elm St. Like Craig, one witness was positive the man getting in, looked like Lee Oswald.
Additionally, Roy Cooper was following his boss, Marvin Robinson, to drop his car off for repair. Robinson was ahead of Cooper and almost crashed as the wagon abruptly stopped for the last rider. All three of these additional witnesses confirm what Roger Craig saw.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Helen Forrest | May 17, 1974
Helen Forrest witnessed the same scene Roger Craig did but from the opposite side of the street. Forrest told historian Michael Kurtz she was on the incline by the grassy knoll, when she "saw a man suddenly run from the rear of the Depository building, down the incline, and then enter a Rambler station wagon."
Like Roger Craig, Helen Forrest was clear in identifying the running man. "If it wasn't Oswald," she said, "it was his identical twin."
[Quoted from: Douglass, James W. - JFK and the Unspeakable]
“Robinson stated that after he crossed Houston Street and was in front of the Texas School Book Depository building, a light-colored Nash station wagon suddenly appeared before him.
He stated this vehicle stopped and a white male came down the grass covered inclined between the building and the street and entered the station wagon, after which, it drove away in the direction of the Oak Cliff section of Dallas." ”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roy Cooper | FBI Statement (11/23/63)
"Cooper observed a white male somewhere between 20 and 30 years of age wave at a Nash Rambler station wagon, light-colored, as it pulled out and was ready to leave from Elm and Houston. This station wagon pulled out real fast front of the Cadillac driven by his boss and his employer had to stop abruptly and nearly hit this Nash Rambler."