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Tom Sorensen
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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Aug 24, 2019 14:05:30 GMT -5 Arjan Hut likes this

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Aug 24, 2019 14:05:30 GMT -5

From Arjan's original post this part caught my attention (quote from article linked at the bottom of #164 post):

But it was not until Dallas researchers Michael Brownlow and Professor William Pulte made public their

findings in a 2015 Youtube video that we get the full scoop on this most unusual so-called “fight.”

A search on YouTube immediately brings up the two part documentary:

(1) www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3NO8Ndetus

(2) www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV6O3j0Llrg

I took the time to watch the Brownlow videos to get to at least one of the sources but I have serious doubts about this dude....and the guy beside him that fell asleep ;-)

OK, he must have some medical issue as he also talks with his eyes closed....however, Brownlow and this "brother" thing he has going doesn't sit well with me and IF he's been around for decades (with Groden?) he should have taken tons of notes (which he may have) but what I hear is an endless rant of things he actually witnessed (which isn't much, no problem), people he talked to and what they said and his conjectures mixed with pieces of the official narrative. Some, if not most, of the people he names I can't make out due to his southern accent and likely because they're unknown to me at this time.

There does seem to be good evidence of that the incident at 10th and Marsalis did happen, even if it was staged, to attract Tippit. The lady who got busted for shoplifting is also a very interesting addition....her missing from the official logs is not surprising IMO as Tippit might simply have dropped her off when he got busy responding to this other call.

I'll just list a few of the strange recollections of Mr. Brownlow which occur in the beginning of part two:

@07:00 Miss XXX grabs her clothes and her glasses....

So why would she need her glasses if she saw the whole incident without her glasses?

@07:20 Markham, Miss XXX and Frank Samino(?) knew the guy in blue, Max Long(?) living in the neighboring block!

He had the name of the man seen by both Miss XXX and Mr. Long running back up the alley and forgot to track down this man who actually lived there?

@08:15 Man in white around the curb, SCOGGINS bent down at his cab, two girls (Davis & Davis) run out, one with a baby in her hand!!!

Uh-oh, there was nothing in the WCR about the Davis girls having any babies...did Brownlow and the sleepy professor forget to fact check this bit?

@08:38 Markham had not moved to Tippit, hands to face, SCOGGINS confirmed that.

But...that's not what he told the WC:

Mr. BELIN. You never actually saw her standing on the street, did you?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I never actually observed her there.

BOOM!

@09:20 The youngest girl, Barbara, holding the baby, saw this and that....

Barbara Davis with baby, but Barbara was the older Davis girl!

@11:50 ....continued SCOGGINS lecture, lived on Alaska, Brownlow and his cousin and two others..., in 1972, yada yada....drifts in to extended rant about who he talked to over the years and pres. Kennedy's head shot....

WTF?

Brownlow, brother Steve and the sleepy professor had 40 years to fact check those witnesses who, apart from maybe the Davis girls, are now dead and gone....time to pack up and go home, brother!

Last Edit: Aug 28, 2019 10:33:37 GMT -5 by Tom Sorensen: Edit 08:15/09:20 comments, wrong Davis girl.

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Aug 25, 2019 6:51:57 GMT -5

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Post by Arjan Hut on Aug 25, 2019 6:51:57 GMT -5

When it comes to the Tippit-assassination ... if you put all the material together, it looks like a three ring
circus.

*The second police car,
* the shooter who walks around the Tippit-car to fire another shot,
* two shooters,
* both run away in different directions, one drives away,
* the other having a strange encounter with Warren
Reynolds (stopping and mouthing something Reynolds doesn't understand),
* the stabbing incident,
* Tippits' odd behavior during the last hour before his death,
* a mistress?,
* Markham's madness,
* Reynolds turns out to be an informant/liaison between
general Walker and the FBI,
* Tippit often parked his car at 10th & Patton,
* Callaway sees where the shooter goes, but still asks Benavides 'where did the shooter go?',
* the car-radio hocus pocus,
* the bullet labyrynth,
* the shell mysteries,
* the Oswald wallet found at the scene,
* etc etc...

Really wish I had a copy of Into the Nightmare. For now, I've started to re-read the earliest
accounts and critiques, WR, Lane, Maegher.

One impression I get is that Markham wasn't there during the shooting and if she was, she was
either incapable of giving a coherent testimony, or she was deliberately trying to confuse matters.

As for the Brownlow/Pulte video, I reckon any kind of (new) testimony or info that pops up decades
after the fact needs to be corroborated with very strong evidence and backed up with proper
research to be of any value.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340177/m1/1/high_res/

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Sept 7, 2019 2:59:07 GMT -5 Arjan Hut likes this

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 7, 2019 2:59:07 GMT -5

Follow-up #1, a Davis girl with a baby?

As Arjan suggests there is an extraordinary number of inconsistencies in witness accounts surrounding the events on 10th & Patton. I've been looking into some of those specifically related to the Davis girls; this is the first of several I intend to post.

As I mentioned in my opening post (events related by Brownlow), and combined with Arjan's remark RE "old sightings", the one that stands out is a Davis girl with a baby in her arms seen just after the shooting. Does it make any sense this could have happened?

(1) A shooting of a police officer has just taken place outside your house. A young mother rushes out with a baby in her arms. Does it make any sense a mother would bring her baby, or any ones baby, to a crime scene?

(2) The youngest of the Davis girls was Virginia, the oldest was Barbara. It wouldn't have taken Brownlow 5 minutes to look up the AFFIDAVITS and correct this mistake, BUMMER!

(3) Did either of the Davis girls actually have a baby at that time, November 22, 1963? Based on the interview of Barbara Davis by BALL on March 26, 1964, we learn this:

Mr. BALL. You have some children?
Mrs. DAVIS. Two.
Mr. BALL. What is your husband's name?
Mrs. DAVIS. Troy.
Mr. BALL. Troy Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Troy Lee Davis.
Mr. BALL. What is your business or what is his business?
Mrs. DAVIS. He is a roofer.

According to her affidavit she is 22 years old. On April 2, 1964, Virginia Davis was interviewed by BELIN, this is what she told:

Mr. BELIN. Who was lying down?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, [Barbara] Jeanette was lying on the bed. I was lying on the couch, and Annette and James Lee were lying on the other bed.
Mr. BELIN. Are these other people children of your sister's [sic!]?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. About how old are those children?
Mrs. DAVIS. James will be 6 and then Annette is 5.

(...)

Mr. BELIN. Then what did she do?
Mrs. DAVIS. She hung up and then we went back to the front door and told the two kids to stay indoors.

According to Virginia's affidavit she is 16 years old. Based on this information we can immediately dismiss Barbara as having carried her baby around. But wait a second...Barbara also told this:

Mr. BALL. How far through school did you go?
Mrs. DAVIS. Halfway through the 10th midterm.
Mr. BALL. Then did you get married?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Do the math! I'll bet Barbara got knocked up by that roofer, dropped out of school and got married. Someone once said that history repeats itself...Virginia:

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Davis, how long have you been married?
Mrs. DAVIS. Seven months.

Mr. BELIN. You were raised in Athens. Did you go to school in Athens?
Mrs. DAVIS. No; I went to school in Palestine.
Mr. BELIN. How far did you get through school?
Mrs. DAVIS. The ninth grade.
Mr. BELIN. Have you ever been employed at all?
Mrs. DAVIS. No.

See the pattern?

A renowned researcher by the name of Tom Scully (see note below) found out that she lied about her age, she was in fact only 15 at the time. So what else did she lie about? That's why I wouldn't completely rule out that she (or maybe Barbara) had been seen carrying a baby although this is pure speculation on my part.

Conclusion: I'll consider the story as told by Brownlow totally sunk.

NOTE: I seem to remember Scully posting a birth certificate on one of the forums, and mentioning the age discrepancy undermining her credibility, but I haven't been able to locate and reference an actual quote....anyone?

Last Edit: Feb 18, 2023 7:49:05 GMT -5 by Tom Sorensen

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Sept 8, 2019 5:22:08 GMT -5 Arjan Hut likes this

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 8, 2019 5:22:08 GMT -5

Follow-up #2, Tippit living down the street?

Mr. BELIN. Where was the police car parked?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was parked between the hedge that marks the apartment house where he lives in and the house next door.
Mr. BELIN. Was it on your side of East 10th or the other side of the street?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was on our side, the same side that we lived on.

If that's what Virginia actually said it wasn't the first time #10 was parked on 10th, WOW!

I'm not the first, of cause, to note this remarkable statement from Virginia Davis and wonder how in the word BELIN, or anyone in the WC, failed to follow up on that lead? I've seen no reasonable explanation for this but the obvious one: the WC investigation was rigged.

However, I'll offer this simple and straight forward explanation: it was a transcript error. What if she actually said "we" instead of "he"? The statement would then read:

Mrs. DAVIS. It was parked between the hedge that marks the apartment house where we lives in and the house next door.

Obviously, this introduces a grammar issue (plural/singular) but that is quite common for "simple" people to make, in fact, this exchange is from the same interview:

Mr. BELIN. You were in the living room ?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes. We was lying down.

and this one:

Mrs. DAVIS. We was already up. We ran to the door.
Mr. BELIN. By we, who do you mean?
Mrs. DAVIS. Jeanette and I.

This "exonerates" BELIN but does not explain why nobody else, or even BELIN, did not go back and fix that transcript error. There is no way BELIN and BALL would not have gone over the transcripts of the Davis' interviews and noticed this mistake.

But there's another problem with the corrected statement: it now doesn't fit the crime scene! In Jack Myer's article (note 1 below) there's a nice graphic of the crime scene which shows the house in question (#410) is two houses down from the Davis' house (#400) on the corner of 10th & Patton. The "we lives in" would place the car between the Davis' house (#400) and the house next door (#404) where as the "he lives in" version puts Tippit in #410. One final semantic twist: why did she use present tense when Tippit was dead?

Another author (note 2) indicates that Dale Myers, not to be confused with Jack Myers, solved the mystery of the Virginia Davis statement, quote from that article:

Let me note that Virginia Davis apparently informed lone gunman zealot, Dale Myers, that she didn’t know why she had made the aforementioned claim. However, despite her latter claim to Myers, her initial statement to the Warren commission – along with the statements by Burt, Scoggins, and Clemmons, make it clear that Tippit was in the neighbourhood on a regular basis.

Right, so why does it appear in the transcript and, supposing the transcript is in error, what did she actually say?

Conclusion: As I've argued, in case of transcript error her statement would have been corrected. If she had seen him randomly around the Oak Cliff area why didn't she simply say so? Instead she had concluded Tippit lived in that house because she had seen him enter or exit the house on a regular basis and/or seen his squad car parked there. The WC deliberately ignored this fact as it might undermine their preset narrative.

It still baffles me though that no one has gone back to the court reporter's notes (or tapes?) to verify if this in fact was a transcript error.

NOTE 1: Article by Jack Myers here (https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/why-officer-tippit-stopped-his-killer)

NOTE 2: Article by Hasan Yusuf (https://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-tippit-murder-unresolved-issues.html)

Last Edit: Sept 14, 2019 4:59:19 GMT -5 by Tom Sorensen: Fixed confusing typo.

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Sept 10, 2019 4:46:10 GMT -5 Arjan Hut likes this

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 10, 2019 4:46:10 GMT -5

Follow-up #3, sisters-in-law AND sisters?

The Davis girls are often referred to as the "Davis sisters" although they, according to their affidavits, were sisters-in-law. But technically, if they were in fact sisters, they would still be sisters-in-law as they had married the Davis brothers. The brothers would then also be brothers-in-law!

Does this have any relevance to the case? Well, probably not. However, going through counselor BELIN's interview with Virginia Davis he keeps alternating between sister and sister-in-law even though Virginia, after an initial slip, is referring to Barbara as her sister-in-law. BALL on the other hand stays firmly on track after his initial mistake. This is what can be picked up from the interviews:

BALL

Mr. BALL. You were living in Dallas on November 22, were you?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. What was your address there in Dallas?
Mrs. DAVIS. 400 East 10th.

Mr. BALL. Who was living with you at that time?
Mrs. DAVIS. You mean in the apartment or in the building?

Mr. BALL. In the apartment with you.
Mrs. DAVIS. Just my husband and two children.

Mr. BALL. You had a sister, did you?
Mrs. DAVIS. Sister-in-law.

Mr. BALL. What is her name?
Mrs. DAVIS. Virginia.

Mr. BALL. Was she living there at the time, too?
Mrs. DAVIS. They lived around the side of the apartment house.

Mr. BALL. In the same building?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. That was your husband's sister?
Mrs. DAVIS. No; it was my husband's brother's wife.

Mr. BALL. Husband's brother's wife. I see.
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

BALL immediately picks up how the girls are connected and makes no further mistakes. It is however quite strange his staff would not already have pointed this out to him or, as we'll see in BELIN's case, how they both could be unaware of these family ties.

BELIN

Mr. BELIN. Now, Mrs. Davis, where were you living when you were living in Dallas in November of 1963?
Mrs. DAVIS. 400 East 10th Street.

Mr. BELIN. Is that 400 East 10th?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Do you know what cross-street runs at 10th there?
Mrs. DAVIS. Patton.

Mr. BELIN. 10th and Patton?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. What kind of house did you live in? Was it a brick or frame home?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was a frame apartment house.

Mr. BELIN. Pardon?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was a frame apartment house.

Mr. BELIN. A frame apartment house. You and your husband lived in one apartment?
Mrs. DAVIS. And my sister and her husband lived in another one.

Mr. BELIN. There were two apartments there?
Mrs. DAVIS. On the bottom floor.

Mr. BELIN. What is your sister's name?
Mrs. DAVIS. Mrs. Barbara Jeanette Davis.

Mr. BELIN. Do you know what her husband's name is?
Mrs. DAVIS. Troy Lee Davis.

Note how Virginia unprovoked comes up with "sister" and BELIN naturally, assuming he's doesn't know better, follows up by using "sister". If Virginia misspoke, why doesn't she correct BELIN as Barbara corrected BALL?

Moment's later we see this exchange with no comments from BELIN:

Mr. BELIN. Where were you when you heard the shot?
Mrs. DAVIS. I was over at my sister-in-law's.

Is BELIN not really paying attention to what's being said? I'll now list all subsequent the statements containing "sister":

Mr. BELIN. Are these other people children of your sister's?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

[no correction]

Mr. BELIN. How did you know it was Mrs. Markham?

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it said in the paper that it was Mrs. Markham, and my sister-in-law said it was Mrs. Markham. My sister-in-law knows Mrs. Markham.

[note that Barbara knows Markham, coincidence?]

Mr. BELIN. When your sister went to call the police, did you go with her, or did you stay by the front door?
Mrs. DAVIS. I went with her.

Mr. BELIN. What did you hear your sister do?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, she called the police and told whoever answered the phone that there had been a murder out in front of our house, to come quick.

[no corrections]

Mr. BELIN. Were you in front of your sister-in-law, or was she in front of you?
Mrs. DAVIS. She was in front of me.

[changed his mind...]

Mr. BELIN. Who went down with you?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, let's see, my sister-in-law.
Mr. BELIN. That would be Barbara Jeanette Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir; and her husband Troy Lee and myself.

[is there a sign of confusion here?]

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear your sister-in-law identify him first, or not?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir; I identified him first.
Mr. BELIN. Where was your sister when you identified him?
Mrs. DAVIS. She was sitting right next to me.

[this one is the most extreme, within a second BELIN has sister vs. sister-in-law mixed up and Virginia just carries on...]

Mr. BELIN. Where was your sister, to your right or to your left?
Mrs. DAVIS. Right.

[LOL, both?]

Mr. BELIN. Now, in this statement it says that you and your sister-in-law were lying on the bed with the two children when you heard a loud bang, and immediately following the first report there was another loud bang and you jumped up and ran to the front door? Is that correct?
Mrs. DAVIS. That's right.

[if the statement says "sister-in-law" why would he repeatedly use "sister"?]

Mr. BELIN. According to the statement then, it says that your sister Barbara Jeanette called the police after you saw the man, is that right?
Mrs. DAVIS. That's right.

[Wrong, there is no "sister" mentioned -- referring to Virginia Davis Exhibit 3]

CONCLUSION

Did councilor BELIN just have an off day? After the initial mistake by Virginia Davis she remains consistent throughout the interview. I could imagine that the younger Davis girl would see Babara as her big sister but I find it very strange that a seasoned lawyer like BELIN would keep confusing "sister-in-law" with "sister" when the affidavits all state "sister-in-law". The idea that the Davis girls were sisters may seem far fetched but the evidence shows that BELIN possibly had knowledge he didn't share with us -- why? The way Barbara and Virginia Davis were called to testify also indicate something wasn't quite right within the Davis families. I'll deal with that in my next follow-up.

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Sept 14, 2019 4:50:07 GMT -5

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 14, 2019 4:50:07 GMT -5

Follow-up #4, The WC inviting the Davis girls.

Something strange happened when the older Davis girl was called to testify before the commission. If we look at the testimony of the younger girl, Virginia Davis, nothing seems out of the ordinary:

The testimony of Mrs. Charlie Virginia Davis was taken at 9 a.m., on April 2, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building. Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex. by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Davis, would you stand and raise your right hand and be sworn, please? Do you solemnly swear that the' testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mrs. DAVIS. I do.

Mr. BELIN. Would you please state your name for the court reporter?
Mrs. DAVIS. Mrs. Charlie Virginia Davis.

Mr. BELIN. You are known as Mrs. Charles Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Your first name is Virginia?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Where do you live, Mrs. Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Athens.

Mr. BELIN. In Texas?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. How old are you?
Mrs. DAVIS. Sixteen.

Mr. BELIN. How long have you lived in Athens?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, about 6 months. It was after the President was shot.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember when the President was shot?
Mrs. DAVIS. On November 22.

Mr. BELIN. About how long after that did you move to Athens?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was about 2 weeks after the President was shot.

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Davis, how long have you been married?
Mrs. DAVIS. Seven months.

Mr. BELIN. Any children?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.

Mr. BELIN. The time you moved to Athens would have been sometime in December of 1963?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Prior to that time, had you always lived in Dallas?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, after I got married we moved to Dallas and we lived there ever since.

[Well, not exactly as she moved back to Athens...]

Mr. BELIN. When you got married, you moved to Dallas. Before you got married, where did you live?
Mrs. DAVIS. Palestine.

Mr. BELIN. Is that in Texas?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Were you raised there?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir; I was raised in Athens.

Mr. BELIN. You were raised in Athens. Did you go to school in Athens?
Mrs. DAVIS. No; I went to school in Palestine.

Mr. BELIN. How far did you get through school?
Mrs. DAVIS. The ninth grade.

Mr. BELIN. Have you ever been employed at all?
Mrs. DAVIS. No.

So Virginia Davis was raised in Athens, TX, went to school in Palestine, TX, lived there and got married then moved to Dallas, TX. Two weeks after the shooting she moved back to Athens.

What I find a bit strange, considering her age, but not uncommon when BELIN interviews, at no time during the intro does BELIN explain what is going to take place and he has no outtro asking if she wants to waive or or sign her testimony. Anyway, there does not seem to have been any issues reaching her and asking her to testify. Quite the contrary when her sister-in-law testified exactly one week ealier:

Thursday, March 26, 1964
TESTIMONY OF MRS. HELEN MARKHAM, WILLIAM W. SCOGGINS, MRS. JEANETTE DAVIS AND TED CALLAWAY
The President's Commission met at 9 :10 a.m. on March 26, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C.
Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman ; Representative Gerald R. Ford, and Allen W. Dulles, members.

[The commission had got what they consider the main Tippit group rounded up in D.C. and the heavy hitter Dulles was also in town]

Why is Barbara Davis shipped to D.C. and how come she almost missed the bus?

Mr. BALL. Mrs. Davis, you didn't get the notice through the mail asking you to appear here?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. We told you orally in Washington, or in Dallas last Friday, didn't we?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir.

[So what exactly does orally mean, in person?]

Mr. DULLES. She has not been sworn. Will you kindly raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear the testimony you will give to this Commission is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mrs. DAVIS. I do.

Mr. BALL. Mrs. Davis, you didn't get a letter from the Commission asking you to appear here?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. But when Mr. Belin and I were in Dallas on Friday of last week we asked you to appear?
Mrs. DAVIS. On Saturday.

[She remembered alright, correcting BALL -- LOL]

Mr. BALL. On Saturday, was it?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

[That would have been a 5 day notice!]

Mr. BALL. That is right. And you voluntarily agreed to come up here, didn't you?
Mrs. DAVIS. That is right,

Mr. BALL. Without any notice from the Commission?
Mrs. DAVIS. That is right.

[Interesting, as we will see later, BALL & BELIN, or rather their staff, must have tracked her down. What about Virginia?]

Mr. BALL. Where do you live?
Mr. DULLES. May we thank you for that.

Mrs. DAVIS. Athens, Tex.

[No problem, Mr. Dulles!]

Mr. BALL. Where do you live?
Mrs. DAVIS. Athens, Tex.

Mr. BALL. You are married, are you?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. You have some children?
Mrs. DAVIS. Two.

Mr. BALL. What is your husband's name?
Mrs. DAVIS. Troy.

Mr. BALL. Troy Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Troy Lee Davis.

Mr. BALL. What is your business or what is his business?
Mrs. DAVIS. He is a roofer.

Mr. BALL. Beg pardon?
Mrs. DAVIS. He is a roofer.

Mr. BALL. Where were you born, Mrs. Davis?
Mrs. DAVIS. Athens.

Mr. BALL. Athens?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Live there all your life?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes; part of it I have lived in Dallas some.

Mr. BALL. Where did you go to school?
Mrs. DAVIS. Athens.

Mr. BALL. How far through school did you go?
Mrs. DAVIS. Halfway through the 10th midterm.

Mr. BALL. Then did you get married?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

[So Barbara Davis was all Athens, also when she and her husband decided to get out of Dodge (Dallas). Both girls originated from Athens, both girls

moved to 10th and Patton and both families moved back to Athens. Fast forward to the outtro...]

Mr. BELIN. I think the record should show that although the witness did not receive the letter notifying her of our request for an appearance, we mailed it to her last known address at 400 East 10th Street, and the letter came back here. But the notice was mailed to the witness. It was just that it was not forwarded to where she now lives in Athens.

[Good stuff...but didn't they mail Virginia also? No forwarding address and nobody had a clue where any of the Davis families they went? Those letters would have come back real fast and BOTH Davis girls originated from Athens. Just find one of them and you've got both, right? Oh, and Markham knew Barbara Davis:

Mr. BELIN. How did you [Virginia] know it was Mrs. Markham?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it said in the paper that it was Mrs. Markham, and my sister-in-law said it was Mrs. Markham.

My sister-in-law knows Mrs. Markham.

]

Mr. DULLES, You had moved from this house where these incidents took place?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. DULLES. Off the record.
( Discussion off the record. )

[BOOM, Dulles puts his foot down, none of this moving out nonsense on record, please]

Mr. DULLES. You are excused. Thank you very much

[Indeed -- LOL]

CONLUSION

Big red flag when Dulles steps in and cuts off the interview, something's not right with those Davis girls. I wonder who actually owned that apartment house and why their phone number on 10th & Patton, WH3-8120, was found in Crafard's notebook? He was Jack Ruby's sidekick...!

How several of the Tippit witnesses appeared to be connected was documented by the late Herbert Blenner in this thread, "Clandestine World of Jack Ruby".

Last Edit: Aug 15, 2020 14:30:08 GMT -5 by Tom Sorensen: Further details highlighted and Ruby link added.

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164 Emergency phone calls about stabbing at 10th & Marsalis Sept 26, 2019 3:47:08 GMT -5 Michael Capasse and Arjan Hut like this

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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 26, 2019 3:47:08 GMT -5

Follow-up #5, front door or side door?

As I showed in Follow-up #4, counselor BELIN seemed to have had a bad day at the office showing signs of being slightly out of focus. I suspect what was really on his mind was the front door vs. side door discrepancy already present in Davis sisters-in-law's first day AFFIDAVITS shown here cropped:

According to Barbara's affidavit, after hearing the shots, she went to the door and saw a man crossing the front yard. The door leading to the porch and front yard, facing 10th street, would be the front door, right?

According to Virginia's affidavit, she went to the side door at Patton Street (actually Avenue), the statement implies both ran to the side door.

PROBLEMS AHEAD!

The girls lived in separate apartments having separate entrances, so the Barbara Davis family used the front door facing 10th St. and the Virginia Davis family used the side door at Patton Ave. There can be no doubt about which door Virginia Davis was referring to: The side door at Patton. This means that each girl went to separate doors OR they both went to either of the doors. As we'll see later, the Secret Service quickly realized this could develop into a credibility problem, which it did, but just by looking at the WC report we know the commission eventually had to suppress this unfortunate slip-up by Virginia Davis:

Two young women, Barbara Jeanette Davis and Virginia Davis,
were in an apartment of a multiple-unit house on the southeast corner
of 10th and Patton when they heard the sound of gunfire and the
screams of Helen Markham. They ran to the door in time to see
a man with a revolver cut across their lawn and disappear around
a comer of the house onto Patton. (WCR p. 168)

Which door was that and was it leading to the front lawn? The wording follows the same pattern every time the WC is in trouble and needs to hide conflicting evidence: the commission doesn't straight out lie but let the reader infer it must be the front door as the gunman moved onto Patton, voila!

Next up, the Secret Service quick fix!

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