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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:11:24 GMT -5
After the shooting, the 4th floor was where officials started, and based themselves as they ascended upon the TSBD building.
Roy Truly was the building manager.
Truly said he remembered an officer on the 4th floor, but didn’t remember stopping to talk during the elevator ride down from the roof with Officer Baker. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:11:54 GMT -5
Roy Truly Mr. TRULY. Then we continued on down, and we saw officers on the fourth floor. I don’t recall that we stopped any more until we reached the first floor. But I do recall there was an officer on the fourth floor, by the time we got down that far.Mr. BELIN. All right. [Belin wants to leave it at that]He won’t say that he talked to any of them; and Belin won’t ask; but then Baker volunteers it:Marion BakerMr. BAKER – The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.Mr. DULLES – City of Dallas Police? Mr. BAKER – Yes, sir. And he was on, I really didn’t notice which floor he was on, but that is the first thing I saw as we descended how this freight elevator, you know, it has got these picket boards in front of it and it has got it open so far, and it seemed to me like we stopped for a moment and I spoke to him and I told him that I had been to the roof, and there wasn’t anything on the roof that would indicate anybody being up there, and then we started on down. Mr. BELIN – Did you stay on the elevator while you spoke to him?Mr. BAKER – Yes, sir.Mr. BELIN – Do you remember what floor it was that you spoke to him on or how many floors down that you went from the top before you saw him? Mr. BAKER – No, sir; not at that time. It seemed to me like it was on either the third or the fourth floor.Belin does not ask what was discussed. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:12:15 GMT -5
Mr. Truly comes out of the elevator, and suddenly he is looking for Lee with a sense of urgency not otherwise needed. He just saw the guy.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got back to the first floor, or what did you see? Mr. TRULY. When I got back to the first floor, at first I didn’t see anything except officers running around, reporters in the place. There was a regular madhouse. Mr. BELIN. Had they sealed off the building yet, do you know? Mr. TRULY. I am sure they had. Mr. BELIN. Then what? Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes–it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that–I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people’s names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys.So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell– I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom? Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, “Have you seen him around lately,” and he said no. So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, “I have a boy over here missing. I don’t know whether to report it or not.” Because I had another one or two out then. I didn’t know whether they were all there or not. He said, “What do you think”? And I got to thinking. He said, “Well, we better do it anyway.” It was so quick after that. So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy’s name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:12:38 GMT -5
The Roll Call
There is no formal roll call of the employees.
73 employees worked in the building on 11/22/63
(based on the names given to the FBI by Truly). (XXII, pp.632-86)
6 did NOT report for work that day. (Ibid, pp. 632 & 676)
48 were OUTSIDE at 12:30 PM.
Many of the remaining employees in the building left after the shots had been fired and ceased work.
(Ibid, pp. 632, 645, 655-656, 665) 
Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?
Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn’t with them.
With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn’t there.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean “a short time before”?
Mr. TRULY. I would say 10 or 12 minutes.
Mr. BALL. You mean that’s when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. TRULY. In the lunchroom.
Mr. BALL. And you noticed he wasn’t over there?
Mr. TRULY. Well, I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him around and he said “No.”
So then why is Bill Shelley also looking for Lee before Mr. Truly asks? who told him?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:13:04 GMT -5
Lee was NOT the only employee to leave the building and not return.
The following employees also did not return to work after the assassination.
Jack Charles Cason – President of School Book Depository – left building at 12:10 p.m. and went home (22H 640)Gloria Jean Holt clerk at TSBD – does not return after shooting. (19H 526 | 22H 652)
Sharon Simmons Nelson, Secretary, does not return after shooting. (Ibid)Bonnie Richey, Secretary, does not return after the shooting. (22H 671) Carolyn Arnold does not return after shooting. (22H 635)Mrs. Donald Baker, Clerk, does not return after shooting. (22H 635)Judy Marie Johnson does not return after shooting. (22H 256) Ms. Stella Mae Jacob does not return after shooting. (22H 665)Virginia H. Brnum – McGraw-Hill employee, does not return after shooting. (22H 636) Vida Lee Whately – Clerk, does not return after shooting. (22H 680) Warren Caster, ate lunch in Denton. (22H 641 | 26H 738)Spaudlin “Pud” Jones, eating lunch at Blue Front with Herbert. (22H 658) Herbert L. Junker – McMillian employee, (22H 659) Mrs. Helen Palmer, Clerk, not present as she was at Love Field. (22H 659)Franklin Kaiser – absent from work on 11/22/63. (6H 342 | 23H 751) Charles Givens does not return after the shooting; an APB was issued for him. The following were absent that day
Vickie Davis, employee, was absent. Dottie Lovelady, employee, was absent.Mrs. Rudell Parsons, employee, was absent.
Joe Bergen, Scott Foreman, was absent. Maury Brown, McGraw-Hill, was absent.John Langston, was absent. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:13:31 GMT -5
Inspector Sawyer / Dallas Police Dept.
I repeated this post from the Givens thread, because Sawyer seems to be part of this process.
Mr. SAWYER. …. There is another broadcast in there somewhere, though. I put out another description on the colored boy that worked in that department.Mr. BELIN. What do you mean the colored boy that worked in that depository? Mr. SAWYER. He is one that had a previous record in the narcotics, and he was supposed to have been a witness to the man being on that floor. He was supposed to have been a witness to Oswald being there.Mr. BELIN. Would Charles Givens have been that boy? Mr. SAWYER. Yes, I think that is the name, and I put out a description on him.Mr. SAWYER. Somebody told me that. Somebody came to me with the information. And again, that particular party, whoever it was, I don’t know. I remember that a deputy sheriff came up to me who had been over taking these affidavits, …he came over from the sheriff’s office with a picture and a description of this colored boy and he said that he was supposed to have worked at the Texas Book Depository, and he was the one employee who was missing, or he was missing from the building. He wasn’t accounted for, and that he was suppose to have some information about the man that did the shooting.”
"Somebody told me," I don't remember who, like the doctors that are told "not to dissect the track of the wound," or "somebody at the Tippit scene told me." isn't that amazing?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:44:00 GMT -5
I think Truly was used in the process, he had no reason to suspect Lee until that moment, that day. He moves it along.
I believe somebody told him 2 things in the first moments, Stay off the 6th floor. [he avoids it; though no evidence he was instructed]
We think it was Lee Oswald. [Insp. Sawyer may have told him that on the way down.]
He is easily shaken on the stand on more than one occasion. when the gun is found, or details of the bag, he is very careful not to remember.
But there is this minor exchange with him that says so much about Lee.
Mr. BELIN. Mr. Truly, are there any other observations you can give about Lee Harvey Oswald as an employee during the month of October 1963, or during the month of November, prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. TRULY. Nothing that I can recall.
I would speak to him in the morning when I would come through, and I would say, "Good morning, Lee," and he would say, "Good morning, sir."
I would ask him how he was. Occasionally I would ask about his baby, and he would usually smile a big smile when I asked him how his new baby was. And that was just about the extent of my conversation that I can remember with the boy. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 11, 2019 15:48:07 GMT -5
Up the Down StairsFollow the statements to the roof and back, with Truly & Baker.  Start Here→ Start Here→
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