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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 7:54:33 GMT -5
Standing in the DoorwayThere were quite a few photographers in Dealey plaza that day, some professional, some just folks with a camera. One AP News photographer, James Altgens, was across the street from the pergola as the President approached. He happened to take his sixth picture upon hearing a shot. Altgens 6, is an historic and remarkable first picture to have been wired. Here is a link to a high resolution copy of the photo. There is a lot going on. Download this for your files, it is something to have. The President has clearly been hit, his hands are clutched and up to his throat, the Governor also struck, appears in anguish. To the right side of the picture is the Dal-Tex building. There are a number of open windows and access areas in direct line of the parade. But on the left side of the doorway of the TSBD, and what appears to be of interest to the agents, is a man that looks like Lee Harvey Oswald. The FBI were aware of this picture since the 25th of Nov. '63. The Commission didn't call the photographer until the 1st week of June '64. Marguerite Oswald, was the first person to introduce the image into the Commission's record as early as Feb. She had concerns that the woman in the foreground on the left side holding a baby, may have been Marina Oswald. The copy she brought was from the Saturday Evening Post. The Commission severely cropped that photo in the record as CE 203. A TSBD employee, Billy Lovelady, readily identified himself as the man in the doorway, but that didn't stop the controversy. Patterns in the shirt in the Altgens photo, compared to the shirt Lovelady said he wore, and the photos of him that day, don't match. This thread cannot prove the man was Oswald, but will demonstrate severe contradictions and discrepancies in the Lovelady narrative. Something else going on at the same time. If Lee was assigned to TSBD in an undercover capacity, William Shelley, would be of interest. In 1974, he claimed to a Reporter, "...to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA."Shelley, was his direct supervisor. It is beyond strange, that Oswald should connect with FBI and CIA from New Orleans, back to Dallas. If Oswald, was an FBI informant, working with FBI Hosty, and Special Services Div. DPD, he may have tipped off the FBI on a sting involving automatic weapons stolen from Fort Hood, Army Base, Kileen TX. If that was happening, then is it possible, guns & weapons being used for the Cuban fight were going through TSBD? Once the plotters had a place secured, Lee could've been set up to bring in part of a gun, without anyone at TSBD knowing anything about JFK. Perhaps, with the reputation of a "rat", Oswald became the "patsy". I suspect, Shelley, Lovelady, Frazier & Oswald as part of a gun-running operation at TSBD.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 7:54:49 GMT -5
The Lovelady DiversionIn 1966, Researcher, Harold Weisberg, released his second in a series of books that criticized the Warren Commission's Investigation. "Whitewash II: The FBI - Secret Service Coverup" contained a chapter called, "The Lovelady Diversion" There, he provides a brief history on the discovery of the man, and the odd behavior of the FBI, to not immediately get to the bottom of it. On Nov. 25th, '63, General Manager, Mike Shapiro, of station WFAA-TV Dallas, told the FBI, he had gotten a call from an individual at the AP office in Pittsburgh, regarding a man in the photo that looks like Lee Harvey Oswald. Agents responded, by taking interviews at TSBD. Billy Lovelady, immediately identified himself in the photo on Nov. 25th as did the Building MGR, Roy Truly. On Jan. 30th '64, the FBI came back. William Shelley, was the Asst Manager, "...he was actually standing next to Lovelady when this photograph was taken, but was not in view of the camera. He pointed out he had seen the photograph before, and there had been much comment on the fact that in the photograph, Billy N Lovelady, resembled Lee Harvey Oswald." But by Feb. '64, the story began get some real attention. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You Wear it WellIt appears that the first the Commission heard of this issue was around the end of Jan.' 64. A few weeks prior to that, the FBI was receiving letters from concerned citizens like, JD Royce, from Clovis CA, Helen Shira, from Jacksonville FL,. Mrs. Shira had purchased the magazine, Four Dark Days in History, there, she discovered the man and immediately wrote to the FBI. A letter like this received by Lee Rankin, General Council for the Commission, prompted the FBI to take action. The FBI contacted Lovelady, and asked him to be photographed in clothes he was wearing on 11/22. He told the FBI, that on that day he wore, "...a red and white vertical striped shirt and blue-jeans." On Feb. 29, 1964, Billy Nolan Lovelady was photographed by Special Agents of the FBI at Dallas TX. On this occasion, Lovelady advised that on the day of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, November 22, 1963, at the time of the assassination, and shortly before, he was standing in the doorway of the front entrance to the TSBD where he is employed. He stated he was wearing a red and white vertical striped shirt and blue-jeans.There is no mistake, that Lovelady misunderstood what the agents asked for. "Is this what you wore?" Otherwise, send him home to change. He was there to take a picture of what he was wearing that day. He advised the agents, he was standing in front of the building and stated, a clear and distinct description of the clothes he wore. Meanwhile, the FBI still neglected to visit the AP Office, and make contact with Mr. Altgens.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 7:55:51 GMT -5
James AltgensJames "Ike" Altgens, was a 44 year old AP photographer, that lived in Dallas, and was assigned to the President's visit. This 26 year veteran of the business, took some of the most important images of the assassination. Mr. Altgens arrived in Dealey Plaza at about 11:15a. He intended to get a pictorial with the skyline in the background. But, from his position on the railroad overpass, he was soon told, it was private property and for railroad workers only. So, he walked up to Houston & Main, from there, he could get a couple pictures of the 'caravan' and then cut across to Elm for more. "...I got the one picture with the President waving into the camera. Mrs. Kennedy was looking at me at the time, just as I got ready to snap it the north wind caught her hat and almost blew it off, so she raised her left hand to grab her hat and I did not get her looking into the camera, but I got the Governor and Mrs. Connally and the President, with the President waving into the camera." He took one more, before grabbing his bag and cutting to Elm St. Altgens, found himself on the south side of Elm St. just ahead of the steps that lead to the pergola as the limousine made the turn. He was indicated by the number 3 on CE 354. He told the FBI he was using, "...a 35mm Nikkorex camera with a 105 mm lens, (telephoto lens) He said the camera was loaded with Eastman Kokak Tri-X film." As the car approached, he set himself to take his number 6 picture, then he heard a shot, "I made one picture at the time I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker--I did not know it was a shot, but evidently my picture, as I recall, and it was almost simultaneously with the shot--the shot was just a fraction ahead of my picture, but that much---of course at that time I figured it was nothing more than a firecracker, because from my position down here the sound was not of such volume that it would indicate to me it was a high-velocity rifle." After making 2 more pictures, he ran to a nearby telephone, called his staff with what he had seen, and sprinted directly to the AP Office to develop the film. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Whitewash II | Harold Weisberg"If the reader gets the idea that the FBI had no copy of the Altgens picture prior to the kindness of Mike Shapiro, it is justified but false. The FBI had and used a copy immediately. If he believes the forwarding to New York was of the original picture or of its negative as the implication of this deceptive language warrants that is also false. The negative remained in Dallas, where it was available to the government and an excerpt, not the entire picture is referred to. In any timing reconstruction, had Liebeler, or the Commission, any genuine interest in the timing between frames 255 and 313, the knowledge that Altgen's camera did not advance film automatically, by level action, was important, for the hand winding takes longer and requires removal of the viewfinder from the eye. To a professional photographer like Altgens, whose actions are almost mechanical, can be timed in these actions with fair accuracy. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Daly Diary by Maggie Daly | May 25, 1964"Isn't it odd that J. W. ALTGENS, a veteran Associated Press photographer in Dallas, took a picture of the KENNEDY assassination -- one of the witnesses close enough to see the President shot and able to describe second-by-second what happened -- has been questioned neither by the FBI nor the Warren Commission?"
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 7:56:50 GMT -5
Whitewash II | Harold Weisberg "Three newspaper reporters simultaneously achieve with a solution of the crime what obvious minimal requirements could not. They precipitated an FBI investigation in body in an anonymous FBI report of June 5, 1964. It is not in The Report. It is from the Commission file 1088. It also provides an interesting sample of the kind of in adequate and incomplete FBI report the Commission used as the equivalent of sworn testimony and often in preference to it. It also shows the school boy stuff the FBI sometimes turns out - only to often in the investigation of the assassination of Pres. Kennedy. It reflects no request for a copy of the picture and almost nothing of its contents. But it does nonetheless, contain information - and information of fundamental character - that Liebeler avoided with Altgens, as he did with others in his photographic roundup. For the first and only time, we get this knowledge from Altgens, but again, not from The Report, where it is unmentioned, and not from the testimony, where it had to be to meet the minimal requirements of competent testimony. Even here, there is no indication the data was sought by the FBI. What kind of camera, film, lens, or lens filters, if any was he using? The FBI report supplies some of this information; 'ALTGENS said he used, a 35mm Nikkorex camera with a 105 mm lens, (telephoto lens) He said the camera was loaded with Eastman Kokak Tri-X film.' It does include other important information Liebeler did not seek; 'After taking the above photograph, (the one in question) ALTGENS stated he then turned the film in the camera, adjusted the focus to 15 ft. and was raising his camera to eye level, when he heard another report he recognized as a gunshot..." "Altgens, was one of the most important witnesses. He should've been interviewed and recorded immediately, when it was fresh in his mind, when he knew what his picture showed and what he had seen. It cannot be considered an accident that first, the Secret Service, and the FBI, and then the Commission ignored him until forced into this sham of a hearing by unwanted widespread publicity. This is a shocking nonfeasance, not without purpose. Like any American with the interest of his country at heart, Altgens, "wanted to do what I thought was right". His plea was, "if it could be just a little bit of help". He wanted to help. Mr. ALTGENS - Well, I wish I had been able to give this information to you the next day when it was fresh on my mind because 6 months or so later, sometimes the facts might be just a little bit off and I hate to see it that way.You and your picture will help, James Altgens. Liebeler, and the Commission may not deem it "help". The Altgens picture alone, proves the whitewash." ---from "Whitewash II: The FBI-Secret Service Cover Up" by Harold Weisberg
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 14:59:26 GMT -5
Avoiding AdversationMarguerite OswaldThe FBI became aware of "Doorman" in Altgens 6 on Nov. 25 th '63, because of a call from the Pittsburgh AP office. Billy Lovelady, was asked to come in on the 29 th to be photographed with the clothes he wore that day. The first offering of the photo to the Commission came on Feb 11 th, brought by Marguerite Oswald. It had to be submitted, and so, a severely cropped version from the Saturday Evening Post was used. The Commission succeeded in avoiding the complete picture. It was again submitted and cropped even further as, CE 369. There is no full version of this important photograph, anywhere in the Warren Commission record. It took more than 6 months to call the photographers, and even then, did not call them all, or ask them to bring some basic items for discussion, such as the actual camera used, negatives, or a complete set of pictures. Marguerite Oswald, was the mother of the accused assassin. She constantly declared her son innocent. When she introduced the photograph at the end of that day in February, her imagination was running wild. First by indicating the doorway. She testified that she thought the woman holding the baby was Marina. She didn't know at the time, what the Commission knew about the picture, and the members didn't know what she thought about the man. When she brought up the doorway, Rankin responded in a very diffident manner, "Right next to the door? Still unaware of what she knew about the 'Doorman' rumor, the session adjourned until 10am the next morning. The testimony began on the 12 th, where it had left off. Marguerite, elaborated further on what she saw in the photo. She said everybody thinks this man is Lee, surprising the members. "Mr. RANKIN. When you say they think--it is the man leaning against the side of the doorway, is that right?" Then she said, the man to the right of the picture, looked like Lee, she claimed he had the same build and "There is no face." She said, his arms were up because a policeman had a gun to his back, and was escorting him out of the building. Her imagination had taken over. Of course, she was wrong about all of this. Marina was at the Paine house, and that man was merely shielding his eyes. She was right, the man has no face. One might expect to see a nose, as it might protrude within the shadow of his hands. It is flat black. Other evidence exists in tampering with Altegns 6, by various newspapers and changes to facial features. She was not off base to ask for his identity. No one has ever identified him. No one has come forward to say, "that was me." What is important is, she got the photo into the record. It was cropped to less than one quarter of its size, but was in. It may not have gotten in otherwise. The Warren Commission avoided this, and many other issues until the public forced them to take action. The FBI could've gotten the photographer, the camera, both shirts, and the man whom he claimed to be. The necessary results would resolve this matter in a moment. Instead, the obvious required reenactment was disregarded.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 15:00:29 GMT -5
Shelley & LoveladyWilliam Shelley Billy Lovelady William Nolan Lovelady, was from Myrtle Springs, TX. He was born in 1937, and spent some time in the service, before moving to Dallas. He started working at TSBD as a truck driver, in Dec '61. When a job in the stockroom opened up, and he was able to work inside. In James Altgens, picture number 6, he claimed to be the man in the doorway, as the president was being shot at. Billy worked closely with the Asst. Manager of the building, William Shelley. Shelly began working there in 1945. Before coming to Dallas, Lovelady was a Second Class Airman, US Air Force, living on Andrews Air Force Base, in Camp Springs, Maryland. On Sept. 09, 1960, he was arrested for trying to sell four, .38 caliber revolvers, that were stolen from the base warehouse at Brandywine. The following March, Lovelady went to court and was fined $200. In Dec. 1962, it was reported the he paid $125, but had not paid anything more. A warrant was put out for his arrest and on Jan. 07, '63, Lovelady was picked up at TSBD,a and taken to the Dallas County Jail. He was released on a $1,000, personal recognizance bond. It is unclear how much was due. The bond was paid by O V Campbell, VP at TSBD. Two days later, Lovelady appeared in court, paid the balance of the fine, and was released of any further obligation or penalty. It is strange, he was arrested for stealing arms from a government munitions base. That exact same thing was happening in other parts of the country, at other munitions, just before the Bay of Pigs invasion. The difference is, this time, he was caught stealing a couple of pistols. Meanwhile, on Nov 18, '63, a sting operation was set up for automatic weapons stolen from Fort Hood, Army base, in Kileen TX. The local agents involved were, FBI James Hosty, and Dallas Police Special Services, Lt Revill. Lee may have been involved in the tip-off. Could this deal-gone-down have passed through TSBD? About 10 days before, Oswald, dropped a note off at Hosty's office. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intelligence AssessmentWilliam Hoyt Shelley, was from Gunter TX, born in 1926. He was the Asst. Manager at TSBD, working under the Manager, Roy Truly. He was Lee Oswald's direct boss. He started there when he was 19, and had some previous experience in government work. "I worked in defense plants a little bit during the war and started working at the TSBD, October 29, 1945."In 1977, Elzie Glaze, a reporter from Lubbock TX, submitted written testimony to the HSCA, that he had interviewed Bill Shelley, in 1974. In a 1989 letter, to Doug Kellner and Frank Morrow, at 'The Alternative Information Network', the reporter wrote; "Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA."The Prayer Man Website, lists him as a Lieutenant in the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Crozier Tech. He could make the claim of 'Intelligence Officer' if he had that specific training, or counterintelligence in the ROTC. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Glaze Letters by William Weston | The Fourth Decade (May 1999)"Since Dallas was a source of munitions going to New Orleans in the drive to overthrow leftist governments in Central and South America, then a way had to be found to move them secretly. Big, heavy boxes marked "Schoolbooks" would have been a handy way of delivering the goods. Perhaps that was what the "miscellaneous department" of the Book Depository was all about. Working backwards from the fact that an assassination squad could move freely through a building without any fear of interference, there must have been some link between the building and the clandestine organizations that put together the assassination plot. Such a link would enable the conspirators to set up the ambush safely and securely. It is therefore conceivable that the secret history of the Book Depository could extend far into the past - perhaps even as early as 1945, the last year of World War Two."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 15:03:56 GMT -5
Could Have BeenBilly Lovelady, sat down with HSCA attorney, Kenneth Brooten, to give a statement on Nov. 13, 1976. Also present, were his wife Patricia, and HSCA photographic researcher, Robert Groden. He said a couple of things that are really important and conflicting, directly related to this issue. He signed the back of a photograph taken from a film, and certified it was him in the plaid shirt. But, in another film on the 6th floor from 11/22, Lovelady is wearing a shirt consistent with his FBI statement. That shirt is short sleeved, with red vertical stripes and has no similarity to the red plaid shirt worn by 'Gorilla Man'. In yet a third scene, Lovelady is captured walking with Shelley right after the shots, in the short-sleeved striped shirt. I'm not even sure physical attributes are consistent with all the Loveladys in these shirts. He was obviously lying. The other thing, he brought up to Brooten, was the possibility that Lee, could have been standing behind him, on the front steps. Portions of this recording were transcribed by researchers, Larry Rivera and Gary King and are included below. Lovelady, was constantly harassed about the photograph he was purported in, and was forced to move away from Dallas following 11/22. He went to work for a trucking firm in Aurora CO, and befriended Attorney Kenneth Brooten, after speaking with him in an official capacity. Sadly, his full story will never be told. Lovelady died of a heart attack in Jan., 1979, at the very young age of 41. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Billy Lovelady | HSCA TestimonyKB: Was there anyone on those steps that you didn't recognize. BNL: No. KB: Alright. KB: Were the people who were on the steps, people from the School Book Depository? BNL: Employees, at the Texas School Book, different publishers. KB: Do you recall, the people who were on there? (5 second pause before he answers)BNL: There was Wesley Frazier, ah, Bill Shelley, Sarah Stanton, and some of those ladies that worked upstairs. KB: Alright. Do you recall which step you were on? BNL: I was sitting on the first step, and Frazier was on the second or third step,....on the first platform. KB: Alright KB: Was Lee Oswald on those steps? BNL: No - Frazier. KB: Would it have been possible, from where you were, sitting - from where you was, that he could have been there - and you didn't see him? BNL: Could have...if he was standing...+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Where was Lee?Oswald, made statements to his interrogators regarding where he was at the time of the shooting. He told Capt. Fritz he went, "...to the 1st floor had lunch, out with Bill Shelley in front..."FBI Agent Hosty, wrote down a similar statement, noting the president's parade by its first letter; "Oswald stated he was present for work at TBD on the morning of 11/22 and at noon went to lunch. He went to the 2nd floor to get a coca cola to eat with lunch and returned to the 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch the P. Parade"Be Lee. If I was Oswald, with no intention of killing the president, I would want to see JFK pass by my building. If I was out there when this happened, I would stay close to my manager, for further instruction on the day's work. If some of my duties involved clandestine packing, shipping and the storage of illegal guns for Cuba, that would also involve my boss, William Shelley. I would stick close to him and follow whatever specific instruction he had for us. From an early interrogation report, "OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees’ lunch room. He thereafter, went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home." Suppose, Lee was outside. Assume, guns are in the basement. On the steps, right after the shots, and if Shelley is back by the door, he would not see what exactly happened. He'd want to know. He might tell Oswald, to go to the basement and Frazier go with him to keep and eye on the basement door. But, don't go together. Lee would run up the front stairs. Looking at CE 1118, and reversing the arrows indicating his movement, it can just as easily be him walking in from the front. If, he heard Baker and Truly on the stairs, he would not want to be seen, so he ducked into the lunchroom. Baker saw Lee, walking away from the door, that had just closed. Lee, was then cleared and went downstairs. He'd be looking for for his boss. Meanwhile, Shelley and Lovelady had walked down to find out what exactly happened. When Gloria Calvery, told them the terrible news, the pair, trotted to the back of the building, met up with Frazier, and Shelley made a call to his contact. These three may have been observed by NBC's, Robert MacNeil. Then, Frazier said, he ate his lunch in the basement. Alone. I don't believe that. I think the four of them went down there to get their stories straight, before releasing Oswald to his boarding room. It was about ten minutes after the assassination, when Deputy Sheriff, Roger Craig, and another witness, saw a man that looked like Lee, whistle, then run down the incline on the west side of TSBD, and get into a car that drove out of the plaza toward Oak Cliff.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 15:04:30 GMT -5
False Bottom FloatThe Texas School Book Depository Building, was built in 1901, when the previous 5 story structure burnt down. In 1937, it was leased to an air conditioning company and at the time was called, The Perfection-Aire Building. With 7 stories of warehouse space, the building was sold to a Chicago wholesale grocer, John Sexton & Co in 1941. It was very successful for the next tweny years, and before leaving in 1961, it was renamed, The Sexton Foods Building.The TSBD began leasing the space in 1963, for regional textbook publishing firms, also for offices in the warehouse. There is a dispute over when exactly TSBD took over the space. Researcher William Weston wrote an excellent article for the Kennedy & King website entitled, "The CIA and the Texas School Book Depository", in it, he documents the letters of reporter Elzie Glaze, and closely examines the TSBD, and possible connections to the CIA. TSBD was made up of, state legislatures for the purpose of buying text books for schools, publishers that maintained stock and supply, and book depositories, for storing and shipping of books through out the state as needed. Telephone interviews with prominent people at TSBD indicate they may have occupied the space as much as five years before. Roy Truly the Building Manager, remembered it differently, “The Texas School Book Depository has occupied the building at 411 Elm Street for only a few months. Prior to this time, the building was occupied by a wholesale grocery company engaged in supplying restaurants and institutions.” Further research uncovered, a previous address of 511 Elm St. and leasing of 411 was in 1963. I don't think the plotters of the assassination could have set up this building anytime before the end of Sept. '63, when the President announced he was coming to Dallas. That doesn't exclude the possibility of TSBD being used as a 'front' to ship arms to Houston, New Orleans, or Miami, and then on to Cuba. CIA Finance Officer, James Wilcott, testified to the HSCA; “Several different individuals or firms in Dallas had been involved in one way or another with acting as cut-outs for arms shipments to Cuban exiles for the invasion. This we concluded from putting various pieces of information together. I remember hearing about some CIA people who had somehow helped the right-wing Minute Men in Texas to get arms, originally intended for the invasion.” Minutemen were assigned to FBI Hosty, he was assigned to Lee. Evidence of smuggling exists in the large wooden crates discovered at TSBD by JFK author, Henry Hurt. In his book "Reasonable Doubt" he talks about finding large wooden crates in 1983 after TSBD had left in 1970. All seven crates had the names of publishers in the building. These containers were estimated at, 15 x 30 x 60 inches and if filled with the dead weight of books would weigh close to 500 lbs. The floors at TSBD were not strong enough to accommodate a fork-lift, and the weight would be too much to lift with an ordinary hand truck. On the other hand, a false bottom within the crate, would allow easier mobility, while disguising the contents of the lower portion. Joe Bergin Jr., would sometimes visit his father who worked at at 411, he remembered large oversized crates stored in the building. He told Weston about boxes, 4 feet square by 5 feet high, stacked in a certain area. He often wondered how these boxes were moved. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CIA and the Texas School Book Depository | William Weston"Investigations of the CIA in the 1960s and 1970s shows that the agency had embedded agents in a wide variety of organizations and institutions, including labor unions, airlines, college student associations, foundations, law firms, banks, savings and loans, investment firms, travel agencies, police departments, post offices, publishing companies, newspapers, call girl services, and mental health institutions. Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. The owner of the establishment, right wing oil man, D. H. Byrd would have had little problem approving that kind of clearance."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 15:05:32 GMT -5
Four Two OneThree guys were standing in the doorway of TSBD as the President passed by. Billy Lovelady, William Shelley, & Buell Frazier. Buell said, he was stunned by what had happened and just stood on the steps motionless. He told the Commission, he stayed close to his boss, "...I stayed around there pretty close to Mr. Shelley and this boy Billy Lovelady and just standing there..."Lovelady and Shelley said, they trotted toward the railroad tracks, and Shelley wrote in his affidavit, they talked to Gloria Calvery. She told them, the president had been shot. Meanwhile, Frazier went into the building, and walked toward the back of the first floor. At some point, Shelley realized he had to make a call. He wrote in his affidavit, the two ran to the back of the building and he called his wife. Frazier said, he was back by the telephone, while Shelley, with Lovelady alongside, would also be there to make the call. Buell told the WC, "Right in there is right around near the telephone and we were just right around in there." Ball did not ask, who Frazier was with by the telephone, or if he had seen Shelly & Lovelady again, once they returned, but it would seem, the 3 were together again. Researcher, William Weston, recounted NBC's, Robert MacNeil's encounter with the three; "I went immediately into the clear space on the ground floor and asked where there was a phone. There were, as I recall, three men there, all I think in shirt sleeves. What, on recollection, strikes me as possibly significant is that all three seemed to be exceedingly calm and relaxed, compared to the pandemonium which existed right outside their front door.
I did not pay attention to this at the time. I asked the first man I saw—a man who was telephoning from a pillar in the middle of the room—where I could call from. He directed me to another man nearer the door, who pointed to an office. When I got to the phone, two of the lines were lit up. I made my call and left. …I was in too much of a hurry to remember what the three men looked like. But their manner was very relaxed."I agree with Mr. Weston, when he suggests these three men are Shelley, Lovelady & Frazier. I would go further to say, If these three dudes, and Oswald too, are involved in gun running thru TSBD, then Shelley's seniority would put him in charge. IMO, he wasn't calling his wife, he was calling his contact while the others calmly stood by and waited for his instructions. Such an operation would not need any foreknowledge of the assassination whatsoever. And they would be scared enough to be forced into keeping quiet about everything that went on there. Could anyone ever admit, there were CIA gun sales out of the building that was used to kill the president? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Arrested DevelopmentIn 1974, Bill Shelley, told Dallas Reporter, Elzie Glaze, that he was arrested on Nov. 22, 1963 and taken to the Dallas Police Dept. There is a film of him, Danny Arce, and Bonnie Rae Williams, being escorted to a Dallas Police car to be brought downtown. Williams, was on the 6th floor just minutes before the assassin took his place. Shelley was the supervisor, watching the crew lay new floor on the 6th all morning. He never told Glaze, why he was arrested. He was initially held under suspicion of involvement in the assassination, but those charges were dropped. In later years, he claimed to have turned down huge offers from newspapers and magazines for his story, and would never let them use his name, or be quoted in print. He was a mysterious fellow, with direct involvement, and a strong suspect to something underhanded having happened at TSBD. Carolyn Arnold, was the secretary for VP O.C. Campbell. In May 2000, JFK Researcher, Martin Barkley, noted the statement from her, “...there is a whole lot more to tell about the TSBD than what has been published—that the whole building should be suspected as more or less of a ‘safe base’ to operate from that day in November 1963.”
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 21, 2023 15:05:59 GMT -5
Come On-a My HouseDavid Harold Byrd, was the owner of TSBD at the time of the assassination. He was born in 1900, originally from Detroit. While studying geology at the University of Texas, he got involved in the oil industry and joined, Old Dominion Oil Company. In 1925, he became a freelance geologist, and in 1928, struck oil in San Antonio and founded the Byrd-Daniels oil-field. At one point, producing 1,000 barrels a day at $3 a barrel. He became a very rich and powerful oil man in Texas. A friend of George de Mohrenschildt, David Atlee Phillips, George H. W. Bush, Col. Jack Crichton and Dallas Mayor, Earle Cabell. In 1941, he co-founded the Civil Air Patrol. "CAP was seen as a way to use America's civilian aviation resources to aid the war effort instead of grounding them. The organization assumed many missions, including anti-submarine patrol and warfare, border patrols, and courier services."Wiki After World War II, these groups were used throughout Latin America. Former, New Orleans CAP Cadet, Tony Atzenhoffer, spoke to JFK Researcher, William Weston in 1998. and said that Col. Byrd was the "head honcho" of the Civil Air Patrol in Louisiana and Texas and would give orientation speeches to new cadets. Both David Ferrie & Lee Oswald, were members of CAP. Ferrie bragged about, flying CIA and mob missions in and out of Cuba. Barry Seal, was from Baton Rouge LA, born in 1939. He got his pilot's license at an early age (15) and joined CAP in Baton Rouge. He did training in New Orleans with Capt. Ferrie. It was there, that he also met Lee Harvey Oswald. In 1958, he began flying weapons to help Castro overthrow Fulgencio Batista, once that happened, Seal was recruited for direct attacks against Castro. Seal's connection to Byrd's CAP and the sudden arrival of Oswald back to Dallas, a job at TSBD, and then taken off the FBI hot list.It all seemed to fall into place in matter of a few short weeks. It was a CIA game of back and forth. There is no reason to exclude the possibility that DH Byrd's group of CAP were involved with weapons against Castro. It makes further sense, considering the plotters would have a place in which to work. The building was secured sometime in late summer '63. William Shelley was CIA, and had been there since 1945. Lee Oswald, may have been the "rat" reporting on it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wear on My SleeveIf Lee Oswald was for framed for the murder of JFK, he wouldn't know it in the few minutes before the president arrived. He said, he ate his lunch in the building on the first floor. He went upstairs to get a 'coke' to have with his sandwich. He told, Capt Fritz, he was with William Shelley, and his boss testified he saw Lee in the lunchroom just before 12p. I think, he and Shelley, were just inside the front door when they heard the cheer of the crowd as the limo made the turn. Then, Lee stepped out to see the president. That is why no one nearby saw him standing while waiting. Then, he went inside. It is primarily the shirt, that is an absolute indicator that it was not Lovelady. See how tight the red plaid shirt was on Lovelady. Look at the film of Lovelady on the 6th floor, wearing the short sleeved shirt he wore, when asked what did he wear that day. Notice how the shirt drapes over Lee. look at his right side front, along the button seam. Notice how it sags out of line on both shirts. See his hand posture, five times in the 44 hours he was held, appears to be the same as the man in the Altgens picture. There is a red plaid shirt, a short sleeved striped shirt, and a shirt in the photograph that shows neither. The shirt that Lovelady wore in 1967, he claimed to be "the shirt", has distinctly wide patterns of square. Oswald's shirt is more of a tweed pattern, that might reflect in the sun in a linear fashion, but, not like the plaid. This posting alone, is absolute proof that the man in doorway was NOT Billy Lovelady. These pictures expose that obvious lie. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Shelley, Lovelady, Frazier & OswaldIF, these four were involved with Cuban gun running out of TSBD, and were standing on the front steps at the time of Altgens picture, but knew nothing about JFK being killed, their time line might look something like this; Immediately after the shots, Lee may have been instructed to go to the basement, but take the front stairs. Frazier, went back inside, and walked to the back of the first floor. He too, may have been instructed. "Go alone". Shelley & Lovelady began walking toward the railroad tracks. When Gloria Calvery, told them what she saw, the two circled to the back door of TSBD, where Shelley had to make a call. Once Lee had his encounter on the 2nd floor, he walked downstairs, probably looking for Shelley. He would have found him at the back of the building. Shelley, would be covering his tracks on the operation immediately after shots, giving directions from the call he had just made. Then, Frazier did something odd. He testified, he went down to the basement by himself and ate his lunch. Is it possible, he was down there for gun cleanup? Did Lee go with him? Did the four of them go down for a quick meeting before Shelley released Oswald to his boarding house for further instructions? There is a movement of time not accounted for by all parties. Between the shots, and the moment Lee disappeared from the building. VP, O.V. Campbell would have gotten this information from Shelley: "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside watching the parade. We saw him (Oswald) in a small storage room on the ground floor. Then we noticed he was gone.”Mr Campbell added: “Of course he and the others were on their lunch hour but he did not have permission to leave the building and we haven’t seen him since.” Shelley could've contained him, "I need to talk to you". Once Lee was gone, Shelley testified, he had not seen Oswald immediately after the shots, and did not give him permission to leave. He would be forced to keep his mouth shut about anything further that went on. Yet, is it possible, that a call came down to Shelley, instructing Lee to bring in part of a gun on Friday. "...tell Frazier, 'Don't walk in with him'..." Buell could even have helped make the package, but without knowing anything about what was about to happen. Once it did, not one could say a word. Yet, all four would know.
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