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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 1, 2020 10:41:08 GMT -5
Klein's Coupon Calamity The paperwork that is supposed to back the purchase and receipt of the rifle in this case is a complete mess. A closer examination of the evidence reveals discrepancies in rifle size, scope mounting, a clip accessory, and coupon used. "...According to its microfilm records, Klein’s received an order for a rifle on March 13, 1963, on a coupon clipped from the February 1963 issue of the American Rifleman magazine." (WCR page 119)The rifle AD was identified by the coupon Klein’s received with this order, that was DEPT 358. An important factor because it not only identified what magazine the coupon came from, it also identified what kind/size rife to be shipped. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ William Waldman | WC TestimonyMr. BELIN. Can you just give us one or more of the magazines in which this coupon might have been taken? Mr. WALDMAN. Well, this coupon was specifically taken from American Rifleman Magazine, issue of February 1963. It’s identified by the department number which is shown as–now, if I can read this–shown as Department 358 on the coupon. Mr. BELIN. And that number also appears in the address on the envelope to you, is that correct, or to your company? Mr. WALDMAN. That’s correct. It is unbelievable the WC didn’t ask Waldman for the mock-up ADs and coupons to follow along in clear original copies. There was no discussion regarding the original coupon indicating a different size rifle. 36" vs. 40" Those kind of lacking procedures or following up are what has left suspicions in the case for almost 60 years. The Dept number on the paperwork clearly indicated a Feb '63 issue and a 36" rifle. There is no other AD or coupon.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 1, 2020 10:41:34 GMT -5
C20-T750The pile of issues in the evidence of such an important case, gives cause for suspicion. How can so many simple expected results of verification be so wrong? Every time. FBI Document expert, James Cadigan provided the Commission with a sub par copy of the order that was received. Cadigan 3-A is the coupon from the microfilm for Dept 358 marked item C20-T750 from the Feb '63 catalog ad for a 36" rifle. Dishonesty is further supplemented when another ad is put into the record by Harry Holmes The ad was submitted as Holmes Exhibit 2. It is from the November issue of Field and Stream. It features the 40″ rifle. It has the new catalog number C20-750 The official record. It is WRONG. This DOES NOT MATCH THE ad WE ARE TOLD WAS USED The original ad cited by Mr. Waldman was for a 36" in rifle, the gun in evidence is the longer 40" model. Holmes made no mention of the 4" discrepancy in the exhibit he presented to the investigation. He provided an ad for a 40" rifle. It is a blatant disregard for the truth. In Oct '64, before the 26 volumes were released and Gerald Ford was making excuses to LIFE why there was no Mauser, The Commission had completed it's work, packed up and gone home. Inconsistencies can then be publicly explained. Milton Klein, the owner of Klein's Sporting Goods was asked about the size discrepancy of the rifle received. If the 36" rifle went out of stock and was replaced by the 40, it can be readily explained right from the source. Instead Mr. Klein was all too blunt that he was warned by the FBI to, "...keep his trap shut", and the size debate remains. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Harry Holmes | WC TestimonyMr. BELIN. You have what magazine? Mr. HOLMES. Field and Stream of November 1963. Mr. BELIN. You found a Field and Stream magazine of just November 1963? Mr. HOLMES. It was the current magazine on the rack. Mr. BELIN. You got it to look for a gun and identified it in this magazine? Is this the page? I will call it Holmes Deposition Exhibit 2. Mr. HOLMES. Here, page 98. Mr. BELIN. Well, it is on the back of a page numbered 98, is that right? Mr. HOLMES. That’s right. Mr. BELIN. Or the front side. I am marking on the top of it, “Holmes Deposition Exhibit 2.” Was that the page you tore out? Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milton Klein | President, Klein's Sporting Goods.London Daily Worker Oct 26, 1964
"Mr. Milton Klein, who is said to have sent the alleged murder weapon to a Mr. Hidell, has stated that Klein’s Sporting Goods records show an order for a rifle shorter than the one produced by the Dallas police as Oswald’s. The owner of KSG, Milton Klein, told Italian reporter Marcelli, “I’ve had more than enough publicity…and the FBI has warned me to keep my trap shut."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 1, 2020 10:42:00 GMT -5
In the Hands OnThe most important murder investigation in the last 150 years, and it is a complete disgrace. Basic good practices and procedures are non existent, sometimes with obvious intent. Mr. Waldman is clear on the DEPT number driving the process that indicates the magazine source, item type and pricing. The record in this matter was manipulated to reflect a rifle size different than what was offered in the magazine. The item number, order slip and coupon clearly reflect a 36" rifle. No explanation was given to explain a different coupon. When Klein's turned over the original microfilm to FBI Agent Dolan on Nov. 23rd, it was returned as a copy on Dec. 06th. Waldman secured that backup copy in his safe.
FBI Report
"On December 06, 1963, copy of microfilm furnished to William J Waldman, Vice President, Klein's Sporting Goods, Chicago Ilinois, by Robert J Dolan, who originally secured microfilm from Waldman on November 23, 1963."In 1988 the PBS program FrontLine produced a documentary called “Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?"That program demonstrated a very clear copy of the mail in coupon that was used to order this rifle. When a screen shot is compared to Cadigan Exhibit 3A there is a striking difference in the letter A of "A. Hidell" All other writings and markings appear to be identical on this backup copy of the coupon. It is manipulation of evidence. The "A" was changed as it is reflected in the record today, perhaps for clarity of any anticipated uncertainties. Doubts that a 40" rifle was even ordered, or doubts of a money order being paid, or doubts of any rifle being shipped, at all. In continuing to examine the rifle paperwork there are other discrepancies meandering in and out of authenticity.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 6, 2020 9:56:16 GMT -5
Origins of the RifleLois Feldsott, Crescent Firearms, is the first American with any contact with the rifle. His company purchased a number of these carbine guns from the Italian Government in 1958. Before delivery, a gunsmith named Luciano Riva worked on the barrels and the gun engravings. His job was to remove ALL identifying markers for use in, "US sporting and target shooting fraternities." From Weisberg"George Michael Evica's excellent book, "And We Are All Mortal"..... "...seriously questions whether the rifle attributed to Oswald actually came from Klein's of Chicago because the Klein rifles were modified by Luciano Riva and the "Oswald" rifle's Italy stamp was different from the Riva rifles' stamp and it also still had its identifying marks still impressed on it whereas Riva had ground all those marks off the Klein rifles."Crescent sold these types of gun to Klein's, but also had other clients. The ammunition used with this gun was military, sold to the USMC, ordered by the CIA.That raises questions about other uses or origins of the gun. Rebel fights in Latin America comes to mind. Perhaps New Orleans as a source. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ “The Gun: A Biography of the Gun that Killed John F. Kennedy”Henry S. Bloomgarden"In 1958, the Italian Ministry of Defense (Ministero della Difesa), offered for sale a consignment of more than 500,000 rifles. Sicilian Attorney Alberto Bagnasco got wind of the Ministry of Defense plans and contacted Philadelphia attorney Andrew Farnese, a business contact, with a view to finding a buyer for the surplus Carcanos. Farnese contacted Louis and Irving Feldsott, owners of the Folsom Arms Company of New York, who expressed an interest in acquiring the surplus Carcanos but lacked the financial resources necessary to make a bid for the inventory. An approach was then made to Adam Consolidated, who agreed to fund the venture. The Adams Consolidated/Folsom Arms alliance bid of $1,776,000 was accepted by the Italian Ministry of Defense. In Italy, Irving Feldsott and Alberto Bagnasco agreed the terms of a contract with the Ministry of Defense on behalf of the Adam Consolidated consortium. Adam Consolidated were to act as financiers and importers. A new company called Crescent Firearms was incorporated, with Louis Feldsott as President, to distribute the rifles. The contract provided for the supply of approximately 570,000 Carcano Model 91/38 6.5MM rifles and 5300 kilos of assorted spare parts. Some 300,000 of the Carcanos to be supplied were known to be defective to a greater or lesser degree. Prior to shipping the Carcanos to the United States, Bagnasco was retained by Adam Consolidated to arrange for the renovation and repair of the defective units to make them ready for the US market. Bagnasco contacted the Brecia-based arms company Breda in the hope that they might be interested in contracting for the renovation and repair of the Carcanos but they declined. Breda did, however, suggest that company executive Luciano Riva, a 5th generation gunsmith of some repute, might be interested. Under the terms of the contract, Riva was required to renovate and repair damaged or defective weapons and, where appropriate, to shorten or lengthen the barrels of weapons to meet the needs of the US sporting and target shooting fraternities. Additionally, and most importantly, all identifying markings on the weapons were to be removed, and the words “Made in Italy” stamped on each barrel."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 6, 2020 9:56:44 GMT -5
Not an Axe to GrindThe first discrepancy in the origins, is what is left of the markings. Removal of all identifying markings would include the serial number with instructions to stamp "MADE IN ITALY". CE 139 (the rifle) is engraved with "MADE ITALY," but also includes, "CAL. 6.5," "1940" and the number C2766. Which would mean Riva did not work on this gun, or the gun was prepared for a Crescent shipment other than Klein's. The evidence is stymied before it gets to Klein's. The markings on the gun show a different intent for the rifle's sale. It does not have the same MADE IN ITALY Riva prepared for Klein's. In 1960 Crescent hired Fred Rupp for quality control of the rifles and inventory. Our rifle (C2766) sat in a storage container for 2 years, and was sold in June 1962. According to the record, Rupp allegedly dispatched the rifle carton in Feb 1963. It was the only carton he pulled that does not have the manifest of serial numbers. Our member David Josephs did an excellent job showing all the discrepancies regarding ownership. I'm not going to rewrite that here, but it is easy to see all that is wrong with the evidence sourced to the rifle kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ from " The Great Carcano Swindle | Bill MacDowall" “A very simple operation, Riva said: To shorten the 91’s with long barrels, to lengthen those with short barrels…and to remove the markings and inscribe “Made in Italy” on each weapon – these were easy tasks. Shortening was a matter of sawing; lengthening was a matter of inserting a sleeve; the various digits and letters could be removed by grinding.” On February 12th 1963, Fred Rupp dispatched carton no. 3376, said to contain C2766, via North Penn Transfer Company against Crescent Firearms order no. 3178 to Klein’s Sporting Goods of Chicago. If the record thus far is to be believed then Klein’s took delivery of Mannlicher Carcano serial no. C2766, allegedly one of a very few rifles out of a total of 150,000 repaired and renovated by Luciano Riva that did not have its identifying marks removed." --------------------------------------------------- There is a basic point by point thread on the discrepancies of the rifle at the next point of delivery. It backs up the faults of the evidence relating to the source of the gun From Crescent to Klein's
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 6, 2020 9:57:03 GMT -5
Arrived on TimeThroughout the amazing journey of this rifle from the Harborside Warehouse to Texas, none is more dubious than the trip it took from New Orleans to Dallas in Sept. '63. The gun was supposed to have been received in March, and used to shoot at Gen Walker in April. Lee took a bus to New Orleans by himself on or about 4/24, shortly after that, someone packed up Mrs. Paine's car. Ruth drove Marina to the Big Easy. There is no evidence of who loaded the car, or how the gun got to New Orleans. All the while there, Lee had this rifle. When it was time to return to Dallas, mid Sept., again it was Mrs. Paine's car. But Lee didn't take the ride, instead he went to Mexico City, alone, leaving an attempted murder weapon un-escorted. When Mrs Paine and Marina arrived back in Dallas, Michael Paine remembered helping unload but there was nothing unusual. For the next several weeks there was this bundle in the garage, they would step over it or move it around the room. Michael said he thought it was "camping equipment", but never considered why it only had one pipe or how it got there. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Who knew?Marguerite made it very clear in her testimony Marina knew there was s rifle. She suspected both Marina and Mrs Paine were part of a plot to frame her son. Marina said in her affidavit that she had seen the wooden stock in the garage. A little more than 3 weeks earlier Mrs. Paine wrote on her calendar. "Oct 23- LHO purchase of rifle".Is that when the rifle came into the house? - after New Orleans? They are stepping over it and moving it around. What is this? Still, no one looked inside?Mr. JENNER - And how long after you returned to Texas did you notice that package in your garage? Mrs. PAINE - I said I thought it was late October perhaps. I wouldn't be at all certain about when I first noticed it.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 30, 2020 10:29:09 GMT -5
Lee Harvey Oswald had 4 BulletsThere were 3 shells left on the sixth floor and one bullet chambered in the gun. That's it. In Lee's possessions, there are no other bullets, shells, empty boxes, or maintenance kit for the rifle. A cleaning kit would be essential for continued upkeep and usage of the gun. After shooting Gen Walker, Lee allegedly buried the rifle near some railroad tracks before he brought it to New Orleans. A quick check of the Dallas weather history finds no rain April 10 th, but the hottest day on record for that month. [still]For a few days after the Walker shooting, no rain, but still very hot, the dew point peaked at 68 in that week. A buried rifle under those conditions would need immediate cleaning and maintenance care. There is no evidence of where it was buried, for how long, or how he retrieved it. No old boxes or cleaning kit to maintain it. Just 4 bullets. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Speculations and RumorsAppendix 12 was where the report addresses speculations and rumors in the assassination. As time ran out, it seemed to finish as nothing more than a place holder of unresolved issues. Behaving toward a conclusion through "Commission Findings", often times those pronouncements were not based in fact or were contradictory to the evidence. Such is the case with the ammunition type. SpeculationAmmunition for the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository had not been manufactured since the end of World War II. The ammunition used by Oswald must, therefore, have been at least 20 years old, making it extremely unreliable.Commission FindingThe ammunition used in the rifle was American ammunition recently made by the Western Cartridge Co., which manufactures such ammunition currently. In tests with the same kind of ammunition, experts fired Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle more than 100 times without any misfires. [WCR page 646]Western Cartridge makes "such" ammunition, but that is not specific to the make up or availability of these bullets. A 1965 letter from the Winchester / Olln Co is clear, these bullets had not been manufactured since 1944. They were not recently made or currently available, it was a direct lie to represent them as anything but.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 30, 2020 10:29:47 GMT -5
The Jevons MemoIn Dec 1977, the US Government released more than 40,000 documents regarding the case in compliance with Freedom of Information Act. A few of those documents related to the ammunition used. These are very specific military load bullets. Military is a copper loaded bullet as opposed to a "soft" Hunting load with a lead core. The few military 6.5s for sale around Dallas were being "pulled" for hunting. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Jevons Memo An FBI memo Agent Jevon to Agent Conrad as a follow up on instructions from Mr. Belmont. Those instructions were specific for a thorough investigation to try and trace the bullets into Oswald's hands.. Western Cartridge CO manufactured them in 1954 and sold four million rounds to the US Marine Corps. At the time (1963) there was a two page enclosure that included copies of the records for the orders. The next line reads: "The interesting thing about this order is that it is for ammunition which does not fit and cannot be fired in any of the USMC weapons." and the next line; "This gives the rise to the obvious speculation that it is a contract for ammunition placed by the CIA with Western under a USMC cover for concealment purposes."The cc list of all FBI heavy hitters involved this case up to Belmont (no.2 under Hoover) all got copies of the enclosures and were all aware of this covert accord. The year and place of manufacture are quoted from this memo in the WCR. But there is no reference to this document in the 26 volumes, or any proper investigation into any 1963 manufacture of these bullets. The NY Times did a lead in story on the documents prior to the release and gave a sneak preview of the Jevon Memo. In the article there was a reference to an additional memo from the bureau indicating a private sale of these bullets in 1962. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MEMORANDUM Dec 02 1963
TO: Mr. Conrad FROM: R H Jevons
RE: THE ASSASINATION OF PRES. JOHN F. KENNEDY"My memorandum of 11/23/63, set out additional information relating to the sale and distribution of the Western manufactured 6.5 Manlicher-Carcano ammunition used in the assassination. That memorandum was written in response Mr. Belmonts instruction that every effort be made to trace the ammunition on the possibility that some of it may be traced into Oswald's hands.
The Springfield office has advised that they have obtained through contact at the Western Cartridge Corporation, East Alton Illinois, copies of that corporations records relating to the manufacture of this ammunition. Western manufactured 4 million rounds of this ammunition for the United States Marine Corps during 1954.
Attached is a two-page copy of the records of Western relating to the complete manufacture of this order of ammunition which was authorized under government contract DA-23-196-ORD-27.
The interesting thing about this order is that it is for ammunition which does not fit and cannot be fired in any of the USMC weapons.
This gives the rise to the obvious speculation that it is a contract for ammunition placed by the CIA with Western under a USMC cover for concealment purposes
ACTION: This information is being furnished to Divisions 5 and 6 for whatever further investigative activity is deemed warranted."--------------------------------------------------------- NY TIMES December 2, 1977 | Section A, Page 17.WASHINGTON, Dec. 1 (AP)—Newly disclosed Federal Bureau of Investigation documents on the assassination of John F. Kennedy raise, but do not answer, questions about Lee Harvey Oswald's movements in the days before Dallas and about the source of the bullets that killed the President.
The 597 pages of documents are the first of more than 40,000 that the bureau will release Wednesday DEC 7 to comply with requests under the Freedom of Information Act for its material on the investigation of Kennedy's death in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
The first three volumes were provided to a private researcher several months ago and were made available to The Associated Press today. The documents, many heavily censored, show that the bureau attempted to trace the fatal bullets from the time they were manufactured until they were fired.
Agents initially were perplexed by a piece. of evidence they found. The bullets were 6.5‐millimeter Mannlicher‐Carcano ammunition. Agents determined that the manufacturer was the Western Cartridge Corporation of East Alton, Ill.
Agents in Illinois examined the company's production records and found that the concern had produced four million rounds of this type of ammunition for the U.S. Marine Corps in 1954.
The interesting thing about this order is that it is for ammunition which does not fit and cannot be fired in any of the. USMC weapons,’ said an F.B.I. memorandum dated Dec. 2, 1963. “This gives rise to the obvious speculation that it is a contract for ammunition placed by C.I.A. with Western under a USMC cover for concealment purposes.”, in other words, bureau officials speculated that the Central Intelligence Agency used the Marine Corps as a cover to purchase ammunition in secret.
A memo written at bureau headquarters the next day noted that the George Zucker Sales Company of Chicago purchased about two million rounds for commercial resale in 1962.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 30, 2020 10:30:15 GMT -5
BULLETS ORDERED IN 1954 - CIAThe 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état, code-named Operation PBSuccess, was a covert operation carried out by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution of 1944–1954. [wiki] 1954. The same year the CIA ordered four million rounds of these bullets under the guise of the USMC. The United Fruit CO., a CIA front, owned most of the land in Guatemala with an economy twice the size of the country. The plan was to supply weapons to Guatemalan military officer Carlos Castillo Armas, who was to lead an invasion from Nicaragua. The US would have no on the surface involvement and only supplied the weaponry from the shadows. Later stemming from this (1959), Alan Dulles and Vice President's Nixon created, the cloak and dagger group to eliminate communism in the Western Hemisphere. By 1960, that group, backed by the United Fruit CO, had its sights on Cuba. It becomes interesting the WC never asked the CIA about this or that Allen Dulles could lend no assistance thru his own agency contacts having been right in the middle of America's secret involvement in Guatemala and their/his relationship with The United Fruit CO. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ United Fruit CO. "John Foster Dulles, who represented United Fruit CO while he was a law partner at Sullivan and Cromwell he negotiated that crucial United Fruit deal with Guatemalan officials in the 1930s. He was Secretary of State under Eisenhower; his brother Allen, who did legal work for the company and sat on its board of directors, was head of the CIA under Eisenhower. Henry Cabot Lodge, who was America's ambassador to the UN, was a large owner of United Fruit stock. Ed Whitman, the United Fruit PR man, was married to Ann Whitman, Dwight Eisenhower's personal secretary. You could not see these connections until you could and then you could not stop seeing them."[wiki] Are the Cuban operations out of Louisiana/Mississippi and Florida in the early 60s, using left over guns and ammunition? Is the rifle and bullet evidence found from these stocks of guns, and ammunition out of New Orleans, or Miami? Is it that far fetched they could make their way to the Cuban fight from Guatemala in just 6-8 years... ...and one from New Orleans to Dallas, 1963?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Oct 3, 2020 10:05:54 GMT -5
Canvas SweepThe ammunition in the JFK assassination has never been traced to a point of sale. There was no empty or discarded packaging from previous rounds of firing. No receipts or anyone that could say, "yea, he was in my store." In the weeks following the assassination the FBI did a very thorough telephone canvas regarding where these bullets could be purchased in the Dallas area. It was quite extensive. Of all the stores in the Dallas area that had sold these bullets, they found only two. In fact one really, because he had sold the bullets to the other. John Brinegar was one of the two men that had handled this type of bullets in their shops. He said something interesting in his FBI statement. " He explained that there were a number of different 6.5 mm types of ammunition but that only the ammunition manufactured by the Italians and the 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano could be used in the Italian Carcano rifle."The FBI report below makes mention that the Italian ammunition for this rifle could not be reloaded in the US. It is not clear if they are referring to the Western Cartridge ammunition, or another made by the Italians in Italy. Regardless, thus was is a very specific military load ammunition, not proven to be available in Dallas at the time. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CE 2694 | Report of Investigation of Possible Target Practice by Lee Harvey OswaldThe following investigation was conducted by SA Alfred D Meeley at Dallas Texas on March 23, 1964.
Mr. RW Botts, district manager, Winchester Western division, Olin Matieson Corporation. Advised that the Western cartridge company a division of Olin industries. Manufactured a quantity of 6.5 mm Manlicher-Carcano ammunition for the Italian government during World War II.
At the end of the war the Italian Carcano rifle and no telling how much of this type of ammunition were sold to the United States gun brokers and dealers and subsequently was distributed by direct sales wholesalers, retailers, and individual purchasers.
Mr. Botts stated there was no known complete list places of business in Dallas which might have handled this type of ammunition. He advised that he could only suggest that places normally or possibly handling this ammunition would be set forth in the classified section of the telephone directory under guns, hardware companies, pawnshops, department stores, sporting good stores, discount stores, and Army and Navy surplus stores.
Stated that such a list would not be all-inclusive as it was possible that a person such as a reloader might have purchased some of this ammunition as it could be reloaded in the United States, whereas the 6.5 Italian Carcano ammunition could not be reloaded in the United States.
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