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Post by Arjan Hut on Jan 4, 2020 13:14:30 GMT -5
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During a phone call placed at one pm November 22, 1963, Michael Paine calling from his office at Bell Helicopter to Ruth at home in Irving, this assumption receives a qualification: “the male voice was heard to comment that he felt sure LEE HARVEY OSWALD had killed the President, but did not feel OSWALD was responsible, and further stated, “We both know who is responsible.”
Whoever it is Michael Paine believed “responsible” for the assassination it has remained closely held, as neither he or Ruth Paine have faced official scrutiny since 1968.If I had to guess, I'd say he meant Fidel Castro. Who do you think Michael Paine meant? 
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 4, 2020 14:00:08 GMT -5
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During a phone call placed at one pm November 22, 1963, Michael Paine calling from his office at Bell Helicopter to Ruth at home in Irving, this assumption receives a qualification: “the male voice was heard to comment that he felt sure LEE HARVEY OSWALD had killed the President, but did not feel OSWALD was responsible, and further stated, “We both know who is responsible.”
Whoever it is Michael Paine believed “responsible” for the assassination it has remained closely held, as neither he or Ruth Paine have faced official scrutiny since 1968.If I had to guess, I'd say he meant Fidel Castro. Who do you think Michael Paine meant? I'd say it was the "Castro thing" US intelligence against Castro..turned on our president. IMO
Fidel Castro | Nov 23, 1963
"Can anyone who has said that he will disclose military secrets [as Oswald said to the Soviet Union]
return to the United States without being sent to jail?
How strange that this former marine should go to the Soviet Union and try to become a Soviet citizen,
and that the Soviets should not accept him, that he should say at the American Embassy that he intended to
disclose to the Soviet Union the secrets of everything he learned while he was in the U.S. service
and that in spite of this statement, his passage is paid by the U.S. Government
... He goes back to Texas and finds a job. This is all so strange!"
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Jan 4, 2020 16:10:49 GMT -5
Even better...our defector brings back with him a Russian wife and despite opening P.O. boxes and leaving forwarding addresses they lose track of him -- hilarious! Check out this BS from SA Hosty of the FBI when interviewed by the WC: Mr. Hosty. No, sir; I did not take over directly. When Agent Fain retired
directly from the Bureau he had closed the case. He had a case which we call a
pending inactive case on Mrs. Marina Oswald. This case I did take over. It
was in what we call a pending inactive status, that is, nothing was to be done
for a period of 6 months. Then at the end of the 6-month period it was then
turned into a pending case and I went out and attempted to locate Mrs. Marina
Oswald for the purpose of interviewing her.
I might add that it is the practice of the FBI to interview immigrants from
behind the Iron Curtain on a selective basis, and she was so selected to be one of
these persons to be interviewed. So this couple, a defector and his Russian wife (agent?) are free to move around and are given a six month head start. And what about this "selective basis", was that just a random sample of immigrants? If so, this defector and possible Russian agent could stay under the radar for years! Back to the Paine conversation...
As stated, from the article linked, that conversation took place about one pm: "Both Michael and Ruth Paine told the Warren Commission, several times, that a phone call between themselves, from the same locations, occurred on November 22, 1963 at about one pm. Liebeler’s questions to Michael Paine have the dismissive effect of labelling a supposed November 23 phone call, discussing “who is responsible,” as something like an unestablished rumor." The timing of the call is as interesting as the conversation itself. At one pm the Tippit shooting at Oak Cliff had not yet taken place and it would be another hour before Oswald was apprehended at the Texas Theatre. This means that there would have been no mentioning of Lee Oswald on the news and the only connection, if the Paines were nothing but innocent bystanders, would have been Oswald incidentally working at the school book depository. Why would a conversation involve Oswald in a way quoted UNLESS the Paines had guilty knowledge of a plot that put him in that building. The conversation taking place so early also also explains Ruth Paine's odd remark to Gus Rose when he and his fellow officers later showed up at her Irving address: "Well, I've been expecting you all." I consider it an established fact the 40 minute delay claimed by Rose is a hoax and this was most likely an attempt to defuse the slip-up by Routh Paine by giving her extra time to learn about the Oswald arrest which probably aired around 2:30 pm.
As I've also argued in this thread the whole deal about Ruth Paine having "secured" Oswald a job at the TSBD is a fabrication which shows the Paines were deeply involved in putting Oswald at the right place at the right time. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 4, 2020 16:26:04 GMT -5
All good stuff Tom..and here's a link to the FBI reports and phone record....
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 6, 2020 18:56:54 GMT -5
One more thing....New Orleans.
There is a lot missing to this puzzle in N O I believe it was what shut down the HSCA - it got too close to the agencies.
George Joannides was the CIA liaison to the HSCA
and never disclosed his direct relationship to LHO in N O in '63 or the groups of people involved, or the purpose.
I believe Richard Sprague's HSCA would have gotten closer to the truth, but could never be allowed, it crash landed with Robert Blakey blaming it on a nameless, faceless mob.
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Post by Arjan Hut on Jul 11, 2020 13:24:34 GMT -5
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