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Post by Michael Capasse on May 28, 2021 10:40:31 GMT -5
Oh Yoko !"It was so sudden...so sudden. We were walking to the entrance of the building when I heard the shot. I didn't realize at first John had been hit. He kept walking. Then he fell and I saw the blood."On Dec 10 th Yoko gave her first interview since the murder to a dear friend at the LA Times, Robert Hilburn. And of course, she was under no obligation to give any detailed account of such a painful experience, so close in time. But the brief statement she made is unclear on exact location, and still could be past the doors, walking to the entrance. If he walked past her, did he open the door? Once police arrived, NYPD Steve Spiro described John carried into a police car. All of this contradicts the official account that puts them both in the driveway, Yoko ahead of John, walking toward the entrance. Then, the first account in the NY Times had John falling at the steps, then being taken inside and put on the concierge desk. Two days later, the Times reported John staggered into the building, past Yoko and collapsed on that same desk. The official account which most people know today is, he collapsed at the steps, and did not go into the building. If he remained at the steps, that contradicts Officers, Culllen and Spiro upon arrival, they do not see John or tend to him first. The possibility exists that John fell at the steps, and someone, perhaps Yoko, suggested taking him inside to wait for the ambulance. Another explanation is the proximity John would have to walk from closer to the entrance of the driveway to the steps or thru the door. The severity of his wounds was extensive, he quickly lost a tremendous amount of blood. Doctors estimated about 80% upon arrival. It is incredible, if not impossible for anyone that hurt to walk that length, climb 6 steps, open a door, and stagger any further. Official reports keeping him outside shorten that distance, and raise no questions of other shooter(s) being closer to the door.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 28, 2021 10:41:12 GMT -5
Staggering, Where?There was no investigation into conspiracy in the Lennon case. There was no need to, it was "grounded" that night. Chapman did not flee immediately after, he certainly could have just walked away, there was a subway less than 70 ft. There are three men in the driveway when the police arrive. Perdomo, Chapman and another unidentified man. According to the official account, Perdomo asked, "Do you know what you’ve done?" "I just shot John Lennon," he replied. Mark threw down his gun, took off his overcoat and folded it up at his feet…and calmly began to read his paperback... Perdomo kicked the gun away and hollered at him, "Leave! Get out of here!" - He didn't move. When the police arrived he stood up, according to NYPD Spiro's original notes, he saw 3 men standing in the driveway when he arrived. Witness Guy Loutham, said he saw two men standing before the police arrived, and wasn't sure one was Chapman, then said it must have been. I'm not so sure , if Mark was sitting down on the curb he may not be seen, also Mark had on a distinctive winter hat with fold down ears. So, there is this other person, not the desk clerk, Jay Hastings, he is at the concierge desk, with Yoko and John. This unknown individual identified himself as being there to the NY Times on Dec 10 th he was called, an "Elevator Operator".No name is given or official statement recorded. As Spiro walks thru his notes below, he described Lennon being put into a squad car. He does not say where John was. It appears the official story of Lennon & Yoko being together in the driveway, contradicts the facts that are documented by the officers and witnesses to the press. Somehow he staggered his way into the building from where he was shot, and although he wounds are extensive, he managed to climb six steps and open a door before collapsing on the concierge desk. Logistically, he would have to be closer to the office and door when he was shot to accomplish this footed path while losing so much blood. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Original Notes | Steve Spiro NYPD "I cut across W. 72nd St. to oncoming lane and screech to a stop in front of the driveway of 1 W. 72nd St. (the Dakota). Upon exiting the car, a male in the street, on the passenger side is yelling pointing toward the driveway archway. Pointing toward the left hand side saying, "He's the one that did the shooting" I automatically draw my revolver pointing it toward the man in the shadows. I'm still thinking, is this for real? (Think... What's going on around you - get this guy fast) As I pointed the gun at the suspect, a white male starts to put his hands up towards the top of his head. Don't move put your hands on the wall and don't move" suspect does what he is told. Please don't hurt me!, Says the suspect. Put gun to subject back. I see two males and to my left. I don't know who they are (thinking a robbery -more than one gunman?) Place my left arm around suspects met him against me and using it as a shield to defend myself against other possible gunmen. Journey toward my right with the suspect I see the doorman, another male, and at least three bullet holes in the glass doors. My gun is not pointed toward the doorway. The doorman, who I've seen before while working, yells that the man I have is the only one involved. Suspect says, "I acted alone! Don't hurt me!". Still thinking there is a robbery inside the building I start asking suspect, "What apartment are you in?" "Who did you shoot?" No response. I hear Jose, the doorman yell, "He shot John Lennon!" I asked suspect, "Did you shoot John Lennon?" No response.Peter Cullen, yells, "Steve put cuffs on him!" As I get cuffs on the suspect he asked once again "..don't hurt me." I see police officers, Palma and Fraunberger, carrying John Lennon face up, shoulder height high, blood on Lennon's face - toward RMP (radio motor patrol car). I yell to Pete, "let's get this guy to the precinct right now!" I asked suspect if clothing on the ground are his, he says yes. "The red book is mine too." I picked them up. I now see PO Blake carrying a gun using the newspaper in order not to disturb any prints. Placing the suspect in the rear of RMP 1599. I put the belongings in the front seat. On the way to the car he says again, "Don't let anyone hurt me." I yelled to oncoming police officers to set up a crime scene [police barricades etc.] I pick up the portable radio, as I see PO Moran in RMP 2123 turn on his turret lights and siren to take Lennon in the backseat, to Roosevelt Hospital. "..20 Larson car to Central have Roosevelt Hospital stand by, there is an RMP coming in with a shooting victim, John Lennon."
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 28, 2021 10:41:40 GMT -5
To CentralThe 20 th Precinct was an absolute madhouse of press and media. Reporters jammed the halls from front to back. Still, terrified and clinging to Spiro, Mark was searched by the arresting officers, and assured he was safe. In his pockets they found, his Hawaiian Drivers License, a Bank of Hawaii Visa Card, and $2,201 in cash. Asst District Attorney Allen Sullivan was called, along with a senior detective for questioning into the early morning. Lt Arthur O'Connor was the first officer to interrogate Chapman, "I saw him within half an hour of his arrest. I was the first to interrogate him. He was in a daze. He was composed yet not there. He gave me the impression he had done something; it was something he had to do, and he'd done it."When Mark had to be moved to Central, O'Connor was afraid of another Ruby/Oswald, and put a bullet proof vest on his prisoner. Chapman was taken to the 13 th Precinct for fingerprints and photographs, and then to his overnight containment at Central. The death threats were relentless, so much so, Mark was forced to wear the vest every time he was secretly moved. It took a long time for Chapman to speak and then, only to Spiro. He eventually submitted a written statement. The next morning Mark was assigned a Public Defender. Fifty year old, Herbert Adlerberg reluctantly took the case. He told Bresler he spent only about 20 minutes with the defendant before going before the bench, his normal process was rushed. The Judge grew nervous in a court room packed with reporters, and ordered the court clerk to bring in the defendant immediately. Adlerberg was still questioning his client when the Judge demanded that he and Mark were required at once.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 28, 2021 10:42:07 GMT -5
Motive to MovePublic Defender Herbert Adlerberg was looking for a motive from his client. All the while he questioned Mark, he was interrupted by the clerk demanding the Judge requires them both in court. It was in these rushed twenty or so minutes that Adlerberg asked some questions to Mark about Lennon. His later statements after court were taken out of context as, "Beatles fanatic" to "Lennon obsessed". He was not. "His answers were not connected with the questions in any way. He admired The Beatles very much. He doesn't value himself too much." When Adlerberg walked out into the chaos of reporters he said, "He told me he had admired Lennon very much, since he was 10 years old."++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Public Defender | Herbert Adlerberg "I was looking for one particular thing. A motive. But I couldn't come up with anything. Obviously the crime doesn't make sense, as you and I would make sense of something. I was gearing my questions mainly as to his psychological background." " He speaks very well. He's apparently very well read or well educated or both. He detailly told me everything I was asking. However, when it came down to the questions relating to the incident, he seemed all over the place. Now he could have been malingering, I've had that before with defendants, but I honesty cannot tell you what his motive was. He had "The Catcher in the Rye" with him when he killed Lennon and they found those weird belongings in his hotel room, but in the short time I was in the case, I have to tell you I thought he was a nut. He was crazy! " In a matter of days, the death threats were too much for Adlerberg, and on Dec 11 th he told Asst DA Sullivan that he was off the case. He requested a thirty day examination of Mark by court appointed psychiatrists to see if he was fit to stand trial. A suicide watch was added and granted, and Adlerberg further told Bresler, had it gone to trial, they had a very good chance on an insanity plea.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 28, 2021 10:42:34 GMT -5
Do it, Do it, Do it...Public Defender, Herbert Adlerberg stepped down from the case after two days of relentless death threats. The next PD assigned was a thirty seven year old Harvard Graduate, Jonathan Marks, previously with the US Attorneys Office, and at that time in private practice for about two years. He was getting the plea ready, "not guilty by reason of insanity." In his original statement the night of the murder, Mark talked about an evil small part of him he tried to control. A torment that he struggled with, tried to fight against, and eventually lost. Bresler theorizes this as evidence of programming. Thru many years Mark Chapman has given different reasons for the murder. How odd a man would need to kill and not know why. One time, he said, he was a nobody, and wanted to be a somebody, and it could have been others on "some list". There was no list on Dec 8 th, and any mention of this came later as doctors and psychiatrists suggested in examinations. In 1981, he told the NY Times, it was for the promotion of the book "The Catcher in the Rye", and hoping that all may read it. Later press, related motive to Lennon's "Jesus Christ Statement", or John & Yoko's penthouse living while the world was suffering. Strange he made no mention of any of this in his written statement, explicit that he had nothing against Lennon, not even a "phony". How odd a man would need to kill and not know why. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Written Statement 12/09/80 | Mark Chapman "I never wanted to hurt anybody, my friends will tell you that. I have two parts in me the big part is very kind. The children I worked with will tell you that. I have a small part in me that cannot understand the big world and what goes on in it. I did not want to kill anybody and I really don’t know why I did it. I fought against the small part for a long time. But for a few seconds the small part won. I asked God to help me but we are responsible for our own actions. I have nothing against John Lennon or anything he has done in the way of music or personal beliefs. I came to New York about five weeks ago from Hawaii and the big part of me did not want to shoot John. I went back to Hawaii and tried to get rid of my small part but I couldn’t. I then returned to New York on Friday December 5, 1980 I checked into the YMCA on 62nd Street I stayed one night. Then I went to the Sheraton Center on 7th Ave. Then this morning I went to the book store and bought The Catcher in the Rye. I’m sure the large part of me is Holden Caulfield who is the main person in the book. The small part of me must be the Devil. I went to the building called the Dakota. I stayed there until [Lennon] came out and asked him to sign my album. At that point the big part won and I wanted to go back to my hotel, but I couldn’t. I waited until he came back. He came in a car. Yoko passed first and I said hello, I didn’t want to hurt her. Then John came, looked at me and passed me. I took the gun from my coat pocket and fired at him. I can’t believe I could do that. I just stood there clutching the book. I didn’t want to run away. I don’t know what happened to the gun, I just remember Jose [Perdomo, the doorman] kicking it away. Jose was crying and telling me to please leave. I felt so sorry for Jose. Then the police came and told me to put my hands on the wall and cuffed me." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Television Interview Feb. 1988 | Mark Chapman "...If you ever get the chance, go to The Dakota building. I just love that building…to think that’s where it happened. There was no emotion, there was no anger, there was nothing, dead silence in the brain, dead cold quiet. He walked up, he looked at me, I tell you the man was going to be dead in less than five minutes, and he looked at me, I looked at him. He walked passed me and then I heard in my head said, "Do it, do it, do it," over and over again, saying "Do it, do it, do it, do it," like that. I pulled the gun out of my pocket, I handed over to my left hand, I don’t remember aiming, I don’t remember drawing the bead or whatever you call it. And I just pulled the trigger steady five times."In 1988, Kevin Sims produced a documentary, "The Man Who Shot John Lennon". Mark gave a similar response as he had written, but now did not remember aiming his gun to "draw the bead". I find it difficult to believe a mental state could exist so absolute and not remember more. "No emotion", "dead silence of the brain" and cannot explain his actions. Difficult to remember the deed. Arthur O'Connor NYPD"It's possible Mark could have been used by somebody. I saw him the night of the murder. I studied him intensely. He looked as if he could have been programmed - and I know what you are going to make of that word! That was the way he looked and that was the way he talked. It could have been drugs - and no, we did not test for drugs! It was not standard procedure. But looking back, he could have been either drugs or programing, or a combination of both."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2021 10:56:59 GMT -5
Cloak and BadgerIn the few days after his arrest, Mark had spoken to his wife, and was allowed to make and receive phone calls. Bresler discovered, on the day after Chapman's arrest, Rev. Charles McGowan, a pastor that hadn't seen or spoken to Mark in over 6 years, suddenly became interested in his well being, and was allowed to make and receive collect calls from Chapman. McGowan told Bresler he made 2 trips to see Mark in Dec. 1980. Oddly one reason was to get him a NY pastor. This man was not, and had not been his priest in years, suddenly inserted his concerns into Mark's well being. Why? Bresler questions the validity of it all, and the convenience of Rev. McGowan, so insistent to continue counseling thru a NY pastor. The trips were financed by another pastor in Atlanta from a nearby Presbyterian Church. The NY Pastor visited Mark for a few weeks. From the very start Chapman was able to have visitors, and receive phone calls. So it is surprising in Jan '81, when Jonathan Marks told the NY Times, that Mark had received no guests. If his attorney was not aware of these visits, by what means could others be utilized? Another odd factor in these visitations, McGowan told Bresler, Mark wanted him to contact Gene Scott and let him know he was alright. The Rev. told Bresler, "I had a hard time getting to talk to him [Scott] on the phone. And when I finally reached him, he did not want to talk to me. It was almost as if he was afraid he'd be implicated in some way in the shooting." The same reaction came from Agent Wesley Nunn of the Georgia Investigation Bureau. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I Am...On Jan. 27, 1981, Chapman phoned his attorney Jonathan Marks, and declared, "I am the 'Catcher in the Rye' of the present generation" Authors have tried to put an explanation as to when and how Mark came to this realization. Jim Gaines wrote in People Magazine, it was a TV movie about Hitler's last days called, "The Bunker". That movie brought him to realize his purpose was to promote "Catcher..." Dr. A. Lewis McGary, prosecution psychiatrist derived Mark having re read the book the same day, had related his crime to a "special purpose". Neither of these explanations take into account the possibility of using "Catcher..." as a tool to "walk a subject into a book" so to speak. Mark began bringing a copy of "Catcher..." to court, his next appearance was Feb 26 th. Still, he doesn't know why. "...My wish is for all of you to someday read "The Catcher in the Rye". All of my efforts will not be devoted toward this goal, for this extraordinary book holds many answers. My true hope is in wanting to find these answers you will read 'The Catcher in the Rye".
Mark David Chapman The Catcher in the Rye
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2021 10:57:39 GMT -5
Psychiatric ImpressionsJudge Rettinger had ordered Chapman held at Bellevue for further evaluation by two court appointed psychiatrists. After 4 days at the hospital he was transferred to Rikers Island, a maximum security prison near Manhattan While at Rikers he was separated from other prisoners, but still went on a hunger strike, afraid someone would poison his food. His attorney, Jonathan Marks, requested from the Judge, and was granted, an outside civilian cook to prepare his meals. Prior to his 2 court appointed mental examinations to stand trail, Mark had been examined by nine other doctors. Six for the defense and three for the prosecution. In her early examination, Dr. Dorothy Lewis, a research professor of psychiatry at Yale University wrote a five page summary, "Psychiatric Impressions", she wrote, "...harbored ideas that would be classified psychotic.." Then added, may have been acting in response to a "command hallucination." The primary common findings of all these doctors from Jan. 07, 1981 to June 17,1981 was a narcissist, with personality disorder. Nothing to indicate violent tendencies, to hurt others, and has had no history of wanting to hurt anybody but himself. For the ProsecutionDr. A. Lewis McGary [psychiatrist]: "A narcissistic personality disorder...not mentally ill."Dr Emanuel F. Hammer [psychologist]: "A narcissistic and immature personality."Dr. Martin L. Lubin [psychiatrist]: "...suffered from a borderline personality disorder...without being psychotic" For the DefenseDr. Daniel Schwartz [psychiatrist]: "...a paranoid schizophrenic with a narcissistic personality disorder."Dr. Bernard Diamond [psychiatrist]: "...chronic paranoid schizophrenia and a borderline personality disorder."Dr. Richard Bloom [psychologist]: "...primarily paranoid schizophrenic."Dr. Joseph Gabriel [psychologist]: "...paranoid schizophrenia"Dr. Dorothy Lewis [psychiatrist]: "psychotic - meaning having a lack of contact with reality - [but he] also suffers from a kind of seizure disorder [that is] often indistinguishable from the psychosis of schizophrenia."+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Little KingdomFrom March-June '81 Mark was visited six times by lead defense psychiatrist Dr. Daniel Schwartz. During those half dozen visits Chapman began to tell his story of the "little people" that lived in the walls of his house where he grew up. Bresler found NO mention of any of this from anybody he spoke to in Atlanta, in particular the Blankenships, or his classmates in school. If only he had said something in the years past, or stranger still, he never wrote about this elaborate little world of 'cabinet ministries'. He said he spoke to them thru his television, as he grew older he appointed a cabinet to help rule over the thousands of subjects. When he put the plan to kill Lennon to the little people they refused to go along and Mark absolved the government. After the murder the ministry asked to reconstitute the government, Mark refused in fear they would reject him once he was in prison. He told some of this to Dr. Dorothy Lewis but not to this extent. There is no history of this and again NO Beatles fanaticism, it has nothing to do with the murder and the little people were against it anyway. Sitting in his cell for hours at a time would give him plenty of opportunity to embellish on some mad little monarchy he mentioned to Dr Lewis. Regardless, all the doctors that examined Chapman from Jan. til June '81 found no indication of violent tendencies toward others, none.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2021 10:58:13 GMT -5
How Do You Plead?On Jan. 06 1981, Chapman was brought before Judge Herbert Altman to enter his plea on the charges of 2 nd degree murder. Upon arrival in a bullet proof vest, surrounded by deputies, Mark was immediately separated from the rest of the court population. The public was excluded and only journalists and court personnel were allowed in the proceedings. All were screened thru metal detectors. Once the charges were read out loud the Judge asked, "Do you understand the charges made against you?". Mark answered, "Yes." How do you plead?, the Judge asked. Mark whispered, "Not guilty, by reason of insanity." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All I Want Is the TruthIn the early days of the case, Chapman's attorney Jonathan Marks found it very difficult to talk to witnesses. There were a number of death threats on witnesses as well as the defense team. Marks pleaded to the public. "People do not want to come forward and talk to me. There are many witnesses I would like very much to talk to, to find out what Chapman's state of mind was in the days before the shooting. Those witnesses are afraid to come forward because of threats that have been made on Chapman's life and on mine. I don't think those threats are very serious by the way.
Or they are just angry and they don't want to have anything to do with the defense, I can understand that. On the other hand, I hope these people will reconsider because what I am really interested in is the truth."------------------------------------------------ On April 29 th '81, Mark was evaluated with EEG scans of the brain at Bellevue Hospital. The results were found to be "minimally abnormal" "...a cerebral dysfunction on the left posterior.." but it was "...non specific and of questionable significance." A CAT scan and skull x-rays were completely normal. On May 13 st, a trial date was set for June 22nd, Justice Dennis Edwards was assigned in Manhattan Supreme court trial division. Meanwhile Chapman's attorney Jonathan Marks had found it difficult to find an unbiased jury and would ask the court to exclude the press. On June 06 th, Chapman telephoned Marks and told him "God" had visited him in his cell and told him to plead guilty. The attorney tried to talk him out of it, but to no avail. When Chapman called back, he shouted down the phone, "I'm not going to talk to any more phony doctors. You're all fake! You're all a bunch of phonies!
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2021 10:58:40 GMT -5
ToddTodd Rundgren is a singer songwriter from Philadelphia that had a string of popular hits in the early '70s. He started in the late '60s with a group called "The Nazz" and later went on to produce albums playing all the instruments himself. In 1973 he made an album called "A Wizard, A True Star", on that record is a song directed at John Lennon, "Rock and Roll Pussy". He told UK magazine Melody Maker, [in essence] Lennon was a phony. "...out for himself underneath it all."Here are few choice words from the article.... "John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a f-n idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an ass. It just makes people feel uncomfortable."
"All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that?"
"He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all."
"Like the Beatles had no style other than being the Beatles. So the Nazz used to do, like heavy rock, and also these light, pretty ballads with complex ballads."------------------------------------------------------------ Part of the display left in Chapman's hotel room was an 8 track tape of Todd Rundgren. He told his school friend Miles McManus, Rundgren's music can move him to tears. Defense psychiatrist, Dr Schwartz told the court Rundgren was Chapman's favorite artist. I find it extremely odd that Rundgren is his obsessed favorite, and just so happened to be the one that called Lennon a phony. Yet, Mark never stalked Rundgren, never considered him on any list of target, never tired to make any personal contact. But if the powerful sounds of music were used to stimulate an emotional response, the reinforcement of the "phony" could be applied. Beat it, beat it, beat your guitar Smash it, smash it, 'til it sees stars Rip it, rip it, rip it to shreds Throw down your axe and then jump into bed
Get up, get up, get up and see Revolution on the tv Will you, will you, get your nails dirty Or are you only just a, only just a, only just a, only just a... [etc.]
...only just a rock and roll pussy?--------------------------------------------------- Rundgren's response to all this, "...Apparently after he was assassinated the police found of copy of one of my albums in the hotel Mark Chapman was staying at. I never had any contact with him and I don’t believe that there’s any evidence that the little spat me and John had any effect on Mark Chapman at all. I’m not even sure he knew about it." I would say to that, he wouldn't have to have known about it, and it could be brought to his attention and then used as a trigger. In 1974, I was a 16 year old kid, and a huge fan of both Lennon and Rundgren, I was aware of the "spat" without having read the article. Lennon himself wasn't aware of the original statement for almost a year, though once he saw it, he wrote this playful response.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 2, 2021 10:59:02 GMT -5
...Except For Me And My MonkeyOn July 31 st '81 a second EEG was done on Mark and registered normal. By Mid August, Chapman had had enough, he went into meltdown and trashed a rec room. He destroyed a television set. He threw a radio across the room, screamed at Met Opera killer, Craig Crimmins, he will go to hell for his viscous crime. Guards slung him into his cell, where he tore off all his clothes, and began jumping up and down, screeching like a monkey. What is fascinating about this incident is the connection to Sirhan Sirhan. It is incredible that Dr. Bernard Diamond is on the defense team in the Lennon case. Diamond was from the University of California, and one of the leading psychiatrists to use hypnosis. In 1969 he was also with the Sirhan defense team on the RFK Case, It could be called a coincidence if that was the only similarity, Below is a transcript from a program called "The Manchurian Candidate" - The RFK Tapes. Dr. Diamond and Mr. Robert Kaiser have hypnotized Sirhan to act like a monkey. It was an exercise demonstrating Sirhan's easy ability to be hypnotized as well the affirmation that a subject will perform a suggestion, while responding with a plausible explanation. I find it hard to believe Chapman's monkey incident was not influenced in the same manner. It was completely out of character. Trashing a room, screaming at other prisoners is one thing, jumping up and down and screeching like a monkey, naked, is quite the other. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Manchurian Candidate | The RFK Tapes Episode 6SEYMOUR POLLACK: This is Dr. Pollack February 1, 1969 with Sirhan Sirhan interviewed by Dr. Diamond and also Mr. Robert Kaiser. ROBERT KAISER: Dr. Diamond would put Sirhan under hypnosis in the cell, give him a suggestion, under hypnosis. ZAC STUART-PONTIER: This is Robert Kaiser, a journalist, who was in the room when defense and prosecution psychiatrists hypnotized Sirhan Sirhan. KAISER: “Sirhan when I bring you out of hypnosis you’re going to feel very very good. But when I take out my handkerchief that will be a signal for you to climb the bars of your cell like a monkey. Alright now Sirhan you’re going to be coming out, out of your deep sleep and when you wake up you’ll feel very very good.” And then five minutes later Sirhan’s climbing the bars of his cell like a monkey and you look over at Diamond and he’s been blowing his nose. And Diamond says to Sirhan, in front of me and the attorneys, “Sirhan what are you doing up there?” “Oh I’m just getting some exercise.” he says. That was what he thought he was doing. That’s a plausible explanation, anyone that’s under that influence will always give you a plausible explanation but it won’t be the right one. We all knew that he’d been programmed. And neither Diamond nor the attorneys would listen to me for a moment when I suggested that he may have been hypnotized and programmed to kill Kennedy under a hypnotic state." ZAC: Sirhan’s original attorney’s didn’t buy the idea that he had been hypnotized and programmed to kill Kennedy. I gotta say, I get that. BILL KLABER : But today on the show, we talk to Sirhan’s current legal team and they say he was hypno-programmed. LAURIE DUSEK: Mind control had a major part to do with the whole case. And I know that's hard for people to believe. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened.
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