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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:15:18 GMT -5
It's a Matter of Time  A little more than a half an hour after the President was assassinated, a Dallas Police Officer was shot and killed in the suburb of Oak Cliff. Officer JD Tippit had stopped what he felt was a suspicious male walking along 10 th street. Upon him stopping and briefly talking to the man thru the side vent window, the officer got out of his car. As he reached the front of the car, the man pulled a revolver from his waist and shot the officer 5 times, killing him. There were 3 witnesses in the immediate area of the corner of 10 th and Patton, and 9 others saw the man run away. The Dallas Police and the Warren Commissions investigations both concluded it was Lee Harvey Oswald. A fact that is still in dispute today. That discrepancy is based on timing. Lee Oswald doesn't drive a car, and his only means of transportation in these after minutes is by foot. The official narrative gives the time of death in the shooting at 1:15pm about 45 minutes after the president. The dispute in the time is evidence the shooting may have occurred closer to 1:10p perhaps as early as 1:06p. The reason it is so important is the distance Lee had to travel by foot to get to tenth and Patton from his rooming house. That distance of about .8 of a mile was timed by the Secret Service and many researchers as having to take 11-13 minutes. There was a woman that takes the same bus everyday to work and left her house shortly after 1:00p to walk a short distance. It was soon after she arrived at the corner, the man had pulled the gun and shot the officer. A man leaving town on vacation happened on the scene just moments after it happened and looked at his watch it said 1:10p A woman watching television that gave a time check as she heard the shots and looked at her clock it said 1:06p. Official time of death documents, appear to be doctored, with time changes typed over them to read time of death later than 1:10p. Dallas Police dicta belt recordings of the radio calls are missing in original time stamped format and can only be relied upon as tapes. Time notations on those tapes are admittedly not accurate based on statement and testimony from Dallas Police officers. There are Lee Oswald imposters around Dallas in the weeks preceding the assassination. This is an important factor that must be considered in the witness statements of a killer that "looked like" Lee Oswald. This combined with the timing it would take for Lee to get to that scene have been in dispute since 1964. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WC Report | Page 165"At approximately 1:15 p.m., Office JD Tippit, who was cruising east on 10th Street,
passed the intersection of 10th and Patton, about eight blocks from where he had reported at 12:54 p.m.
About 100 feet past the intersection Tippit stopped a man walking east along the south side of Patton."
"The man’s general description was similar to the one broadcast over the police radio.
Tippit stopped the man and called him to his car. He approached the car and apparently exchanged words with Tippit
through the right front or vent window. Tippit got out and started to walk around the front of the car.
As Tippit reached the left front wheel the man pulled out a revolver and fired several shots.
Four bullets hit Tippit and killed him instantly. The gunman started back toward Patton Avenue,
ejecting the empty cartridge cases before reloading with fresh bullets."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:15:55 GMT -5
Take a Walk Around Oak Cliff Mrs. Earlene Roberts (Lee’s landlady) testified, that on Friday, November 22, about 1 p.m., he entered the house in unusual haste. He hurried to his room and stayed no longer than 3 or 4 minutes. When Lee left his room. Mrs. Roberts saw him a few seconds later standing near the bus stop in front of the house on the east side of Beckley. She looked again a moment later, he was gone. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Earlene Roberts | Secret Service Affidavit"I saw Lee Oswald standing on the curb at the bus stop just to the right and on the same side of the street as our house.
I just glanced out the window that once. I don't know how long Lee Oswald stood at the curb, nor did I see the direction
he went when he left there." Moments earlier she had seen two police officers in a black car, stop in front of her house with a beep-beep on the horn. After they left Lee went outside and Roberts saw him for a moment standing at the curb. She looked again he was gone. Mr. BALL. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car? Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all. Mr. BALL. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car? Mrs. ROBERTS. Oh, yes. Mr. BALL. And one of the officers sounded the born ? Mrs. ROBERTS. Just kind of a "tit-tit"--twice. According to the official conclusions, Lee had his wallet (s), a bus transfer, about $13 + change, a loaded .38 snub nose revolver under his jacket, and 10 bullets, loose in his pockets. He began walking south on Beckley. No reason was given why he wandered aimlessly toward Tenth and Patton.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:16:46 GMT -5
From the Washateria About this time, a woman named Helen Markham, was getting ready to go to work. She was a waitress a the Eat Well Restaurant on Main St. Everyday she took the 1:12p bus from the corner of 10 th and Patton. On this day she tried to reach her daughter from a pay phone in the Washateria Laundromat of her apt. She noticed the time before she left as 1:04p. It only takes a couple of minutes to get to her bus stop. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FBI Document | March 17, 1964"The distance from the front door of the Washateria at 328 E. 9th St. to
the northwest corner of the intersection at East 10th and Patton Streets was walked and timed and
this time was two minutes and thirty seconds.
It was ascertained from the Dallas transit system that during the afternoon hours of every weekday a
bus going to the downtown area of Dallas can be boarded every 10 minutes at the corner of Patton and Jefferson Streets.
The bus scheduled to pass this point at about 1:12pm and every 10 minutes thereafter". -------------------------------------------------------------- No Need to WaitThe above FBI document puts no time of the bus stopping before 1:12p, a time Markham would have indicated as her regular bus. It only takes 2 1/2 minutes to walk to her stop, there was no need to wait an additional 10 minutes after leaving at 1:04p She gave herself an almost 10 minute buffer to be sure she catches her 1:12p, by normally leaving her house very shortly after 1pm. There she was at her regular bus stop, with no need to waste time waiting for the 1:22p. On this day she was there about 1:06p. "…at approximately 1:06pm I was standing on the corner of E 10th and Patton…” Helen Markham - DPD Affidavit | 11/22/63According to Mrs. Roberts Lee left his apt. very shortly after 1pm the WCR puts that time at 1:04p. When the Secret Service timed Lee’s walk to Tenth and Patton it took about 12 mins. “From the bus stop at 1026 Beckley to 400 Block E 10th Street (walking .8 miles) TIME 12 Minutes “ (CD 87 Secret Service Field Document Nov 29 – 30 1963 Agents Warner and Moore)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WC Report | Page 167"Helen Markham was about to cross 10th Street at Patton. As she waited on the northwest corner of the intersection for traffic to pass, she noticed a young man as be was “almost ready to get up on the curb” at the southeast corner of the intersection, approximately 50 feet away. The man continued along 10th Street. Mrs. Markham saw a police car slowly approach the man from the rear and stop alongside of him. She saw the man come to the right window of the police car." "As he talked, he leaned on the ledge of the right window with his arms. The man appeared to step back as the policeman “calmly opened the car door” and very slowly got out and walked toward the front of the car. The man pulled a gun. Mrs. Markham heard three shots and saw the policeman fall to the ground near the left front wheel."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:18:00 GMT -5
Time Check | Six Minutes after One On Nov. 22, Mrs. Margie Higgins, lived with her husband Donald, at 417 East 10th St., just a few houses away from the shooting. As she was watching TV, the announcer said the time was "Six minutes after one", she looked at her clock, then heard the shots. However long it took to hear the shots after seeing the time is specifically unclear, but close enough to associate the two in a moment. It most certainly was 8-10 minutes before the official time given in the Report. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Girl On The Stairs:
My Search For A Missing Witness To The Assassination Of John F. Kennedy (pp. 90-91) Ernest, Barry (2010). “How can you be so sure of the time?” “Well, I was watching the news on television and for some reason the announcer turned and looked at the clock and said the time was ‘six minutes after one,’” Mrs. Higgins explained. “He said it just like that, ‘six minutes after one.’ And you know how you always do, you hear the time and you automatically check your own watch. So I just looked up at the clock on my television to verify the time and it said 1:06. At that point I heard the shots.” “Are you positive of the time?” “Yes, I am. I’d bet my life on it.” “Do you know what this means then?” I persisted. Mrs. Higgins looked at her husband and then back at me, but said nothing. She knew. “And the man you saw running away,” I said. “What did he look like?” Mrs. Higgins got noticeably upset and asked if I was writing a book. I assured her I was in Dallas only to satisfy my own curiosity. She remained quiet. “Can you describe him in any way, tell me anything about him? Any description?” Finally, I said, “Was that man Lee Oswald?” Mrs. Higgins stared at me, not harshly, but more like my mother used to when she was trying to make a point. “He definitely was not the man they showed on television,” she sighed. “Is that what you wanted to hear?” As long as it was the truth. I thanked Mrs. Higgins for her time and trouble. “Be careful,” she told me on my way out her front door." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This couple were not questioned by the F.B.I, nor were they called to testify by the Warren Commission.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:18:31 GMT -5
Time Check the Witness  Some other witnesses at the scene gave times close to 1 o'clock Domingo Benavides “….I imagine it was about 1 o’clock. … It was after I had lunch and I had eaten around 12 o’clock.” (WC Testimony) Ted Callaway “…I was working today when I heard some shots. This was about 1 pm…” (DPD Affidavit dated 11/22/63)Sam Guinyard “…Today about 1:00 pm I heard some shooting near Patton and 10th Street…” (DPD Affidavit dated 11/22/63)Barbara Davis “…shortly after 1:00 pm, my sister-in-law, Virginia Davis, and I were lying on the bed with the kids. I heard a shot and jumped up and heard another shot…” (DPD Affidavit dated 11/22/63)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ T. F. Bowley Temple Ford Bowley was on his way to go on vacation. He had picked his daughter up from school, and was on his way to get his wife before leaving town. There is no reason to doubt he knew exactly what time it was, and where he had to be. He came upon the scene at 10th street, moments after it happened. He saw a policeman dead on the ground, A man (Benevides), was having trouble getting thru on the police radio. He knew exactly how to work the radio. It is remarkable what happens next in terms of the Warren Commission investigation. This important witness had the sense to look at his watch at that moment, but was neglected to be called. It went one step further, his role of being first on the police radio was erased from the created narrative. Instead, the witness Domingo Benavides is credited with having gotten assistance to the scene thru the car radio. According to the official record, T. F. is referred to as a citizen. Even that is not clear if it is him. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bowley | Police Affidavit 12/02/63"On Friday November 22, 1963 I picked up my daughter at the R. L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at about 12:55 pm.
I then left the school to pick up my wife who was at work at the Telephone Company at Ninth Street and Zangs Street.
I was headed north on Marsalis and turned west on 10th Street.
I traveled about a block and noticed a Dallas police squad car stopped in the traffic lane headed east on 10th Street.
I saw a police officer lying next to the left front wheel. I stopped my car and got out to go to the scene.
I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm.
Several people were at the scene. When I got there the first thing I did was try to help the officer.
He appeared beyond help to me. A man was trying to use the radio in the squad car but stated he didn’t know how to operate it.
I know how and took the radio from him. I said, “Hello, operator. A police officer has been shot here.”
The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was.
A few minutes later an ambulance came to the scene. I helped load the officer onto the stretcher and into the ambulance."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:19:19 GMT -5
Is this Thing On? Immediately after the shooting Domingo Benavides tried to get thru on the car radio but did not know how to work it. When Bowley arrived on the scene he took the radio and called in the address after questioning others at the scene. The Warren Report credits Benavides, but the evidence is not clear. "It was Benavides, using Tippit’s car radio, who first reported the killing of Patrolman Tippit at about 1:16 p.m."Bowley's affidavit described an interaction, of questioning location, and asking nearby witnesses. It remains in doubt which one got thru. "The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was."Citizen: Hello, police operator? Dispatcher: Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio. Citizen: There’s been a shooting out here. Dispatcher Where’s it at? Citizen: Tenth Street. Dispatcher: What location on Tenth Street? Citizen: Between Marsalis and Beckley. It’s a police officer. Somebody shot him. What — what’s . . . 404 Tenth Street. (DPD Radio Dispatch) ------------------------------------------------------------- In 2010, researcher Herbert Blenner wrote a piece on the timing of the radio transmissions Below is an excerpt from "Hello, Police Operator" it raises doubt about Benavides being the one getting thru. Regardless, T. F. Bowley should have been called to at least help resolve the issue of time. That is obvious. Part Six - The Warren Commission Reportby Herbert Blenner | Posted March 19, 2010 Although the Warren Commission recognized problems with the radio transcripts of Channel-I pertaining to the shooting of officer Tippit, they did not call either dispatcher, C. E. Hulse or Jackson, to testify. The testimony of Hulse pertaining to the shooting of Oswald disclosed his role on November 24, 1963 as the dispatcher of all calls that came through the telephone lines. Without doubt, the testimony of the dispatcher who broadcast the addresses of people who telephoned the police pertaining to shooting on the afternoon of November 22 would have the potential to untangle a complicated mess. Instead of taking this possible path toward enlightenment, the Warren Commission did what committees do best; they worsened a complicated mess. The Warren Commission Report wrote, "It was Benavides, using Tippit’s car radio, who first reported the killing of Patrolman Tippit at about 1:16 p.m.: 'We’ve had a shooting out here.'" The quoted sentence matches verbatim the contents of my audio file of the dictabelt and the transcripts published in CE 705 and CE 1974 while the Sawyer Exhibit B missed one word. In his testimony Domingo Benavides told the Warren Commission that he reported an officer had been shot, a guy asked the whereabouts, he said Tenth Street and then said 410 East Tenth Street. At this point Benavides became aware of another guy standing by the police car. This guy then called the police, reported the shooting and was told something like keep the line clear, we already know about it. The address of 410 East Tenth Street is not heard on the dicta belt. More important the audio record documents a two-minute interval between the radioed reports by the citizens. These considerations dispute the credibility of Benavides’s testimony on his use of the police radio. The Dallas Police tapes cannot be relied upon for accurate time checks of radio transmissions.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:19:46 GMT -5
Gerald Henslee | WC Testimony Radio Dispatcher Mr. BELIN. All right, I notice times on Sawyer Deposition Exhibits A and B. Does this mean a time according to your police clock there when an event happened? Mr. HENSLEE. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. For Instance, on Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A, I see until 12:40 p.m., a number of conversations. Then the next one is 12:43 p.m. Does that mean that all the conversations took place between 12:40 and 12:43 p.m.? Mr. HENSLEE. That's correct. Mr. BELIN. They took place in the order in which they are listed here? Mr. HENSLEE. Right There were so many, we couldn't get the time in after each transmission. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ J.C. Bowles, the man in charge of the DPD dispatchersA master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time. Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock. Accordingly, at "exactly" 10:10, various clocks could be stamping from 10:08 to 10:12, for example. When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done." "In addition to the times stamped on calls by telephone operators, the radio operators stamped the "time" as calls were dispatched, and the "time" that officers completed an assignment and returned to service. Radio operators were also furnished with 12-hour digital clocks to facilitate their time references when they were not using call sheets containing stamped time. These digital clocks were not synchronized with any time standard. Therefore, the time "actual" and time "broadcast" could easily be a minute or so apart."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:20:49 GMT -5
It Looks Like In the weeks before the assassination, a man repeatedly showed up at a gun range, asking for 6.5mm empty shells. He had a single bolt action rifle with a mounted scope, and annoyed another customer by shooting at his target. He drove a car on some occasions, and at least one time was with another man. Other "scenes" like this were going on around Dallas. Each time reported to the FBI after the assassination. The man looked like Lee Harvey Oswald, and he had said things that made the witness remember him after the 22 nd. On most of these occasions Lee was at work. On 11/22 a black car gave a beep-beep signal, Lee left his room and was suddenly gone from the spot he was standing. Butch Burroughs remembered selling Oswald a popcorn in the Texas Theater, at that time the officer was being pronounced dead. T. F. Bowley arrived on that scene at 1:10p before the ambulance and Margie Higgins heard the shots after a time check of 1:06p. Helen Markham left her house to go a short distance, the same time any day she goes to work, and she arrived at the corner about 1:06p. After the shooting the killer cut the corner at Patton and ran out of the area, toward E Jefferson Blvd. and the Texas Theater. The man was not seen for another 25 minutes, and showed up next in front of Johnny Brewer at Hardy Shoes. Police radio tapes are unreliable based on the volume of calls and the master clocks that were used when they were transcribed. Official documents, from both the FBI and DPD reflect dubious changes to the time of death for the officer. All of this looks like a blatant intent to avoid witnesses, falsify documents, and ignore evidence that reflects a time before 1:10p.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Aug 12, 2020 10:21:09 GMT -5
 This is a post Tom Sorensen made on a previous version of this thread. Thank you, Tom. As outlined by Michael above Helen Markham's timeline destroys any possibility of Oswald being present at the Tippit shooting. What made her testimony so unpleasant for the Commission was the fact that she walked to the bus stop every day to get to work and on that particular day she also made a mental note of the time at the washateria to make sure she didn't miss the buss.
The only way the Commission could get around those facts was by labeling them speculation, WCR p. 651:
Speculation.—Mrs. Helen Markham, a witness to the slaying of Tippit, put the time at just after 1:06 p.m. This would have made
it impossible for Oswald to have committed the killing since he would
not have had time to arrive at the shooting scene by that time.
Commission finding.—The shooting of Tippit has been established at approximately 1 :15 or 1 :16 p.m. on the basis of a call to police headquarters on Tippit's car radio by another witness to the assassination, Domingo Benavides. In her various statements and in her
testimony, Mrs. Markham was uncertain and inconsistent in her recollection
of the exact time of the slaying. 56Not only is the term speculation false, they also falsely accuse Markham of being "uncertain and inconsistent" when the evidence shows that was not the case. Even more hilarious is the footnote 56 which is a supra reference to pp. 166-167 which is the Commission's own evaluation of witness accounts but does not refer to actual inconsistencies in Markham's testimonies -- DOH. Lies and obfuscation, the favorite tools of the Warren Commission when they couldn't deal with facts.
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