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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 27, 2020 9:12:24 GMT -5
Is that a Mauser?
Capt Fritz (hat) and Lt. Day closely examine the rifle
The alleged rifle that was used to kill the president was an Italian made Mannlicher-Carcano (1940)
It is a single bolt action rifle, that takes a 6.5 mm cartridge shell.
One problem that remains since 1964 is the documentation of a 7.65 German Mauser found in the building.
Whether or not the gun was found in addition to, or instead of is unclear. The documents only say 7.65 Mauser.
There is no signed or sworn affidavit by any police officer involved in the finding of the rifle that listed it as a
Mannlicher-Carcano–only as a 7.65 Mauser. There are five documents, from 2 officers, over a 3 day period.
It becomes disturbing when the FBI was accepting sworn statements describing a 7.65 Mauser, while holding a 6.5mm Carcano.
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The Find
Immediately after the shooting, Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone, and Dallas Police Constable Seymour Weitzmn,
were part of the search team on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Three 6.5mm shells that were already
found on the scene, should have given a clue as to what type of rifle they were looking for.
Suddenly Boone and Weitzman, hollered almost simultaneously that they had found the weapon by the back stairs of the building.
DPD officers took pictures of the rifle in its place and waited for Capt Fritz for further instructions.
Once the rifle was pulled from between the boxes, Fritz checked the chamber and removed the live round and put it in his pocket.
Here the stories differ slightly, but Fritz held up the gun and asked "...does anybody know what type of rifle this is..?"
Seymour Weitzman, who had experience in gun sales, said it looked like a Mauser. Boone said Fritz and Lt Day called it a Mauser.
It is reporting 7.65 on a rifle clearly marked "CAL. 6.5" that continues to plague the confirmation of the official conclusion.
Deputy Eugene Boone | WC Testimony
Mr. BALL - There is one question. Did you hear anybody refer to this rifle as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE - Yes, I did. And at first, not knowing what it was, I thought it was 7.65 Mauser.
Mr. BALL - Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE - I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it,
not knowing what it was, he said that is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is,
the ID man was getting ready to photograph it. We were just discussing it beck and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.
Mr. BALL - Thank you.
The CHAIRMAN - Thank you very much, Sheriff. You have been very helpful.
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End of session.
By the end of March, Attorney Ball would have been well aware of the distinct markings on the rifle in evidence.
It is clearly labeled "MADE IN ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" Yet, this wording was not identified in any sworn documents.
No further questions regarding this important contradiction or essential followup is entered in to the record from this witness.
Instead, it is the end of session.
Description of Rifle [from WCR]
The bolt-action, clip-fed rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository,
described more fully in appendix X, is inscribed with various markings, including "MADE ITALY," "CAL. 6.5," "1940"
and the number C2766.126 (See Commission Exhibit Nos. 1303, 541(2) and 541 (3), pp. 82-83.)
These markings have been explained as follows: "MADE ITALY" refers to its origin; "CAL. 6.5" refers to the rifle's caliber;
"1940" refers to the year of manufacture; and the number C2766 is the serial number.
This rifle is the only one of its type bearing that serial number. |
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 27, 2020 9:12:48 GMT -5
At a Glance The Warren Commissions Report and conclusions made it out to be a simple mistake. But instead there are affidavits and reports from 2 men and statements from a 3rd that call the gun a 7.65 Mauser The documents go on to describe the strap and specific markings on the gun in detail; the last one is dated as late as 11/25. (Weitzman) The rifle is clearly marked 6.5 CAL. The shells are clearly marked 6.5 at the base. There is no reason to report a 7.65 anything. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Affidavit Deputy BooneDate: November 22, 1963
COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT
Mr. Decker:
I was assisting in the search of the 6th floor of the Dallas County Book Depository at Elm St. and Houston St. proceeding
from the xxxxxx East side of the building. Officer Weitzman DPD and I were together as we approached the Northwest
corner of the building xxxxxx I saw the rifle partially hidden behind a row of books with two (2) other boxes of books against
the rifle. The rifle appeared to be a 7.65mm Mauser with a telescope sight on the rifle.
Capt. Fritz was called to the scene and also someone from the ID xxxx pictures were taken and Capt Fritz picked up the rifle.
I first saw the rifle at 1:22pm date. E. L. Boone 240 DSO --------------------------------------------------------- Affidavit Seymour Weitzman "At this time Captain Fritz arrived and ordered all of the sixth floor sealed off and searched.
I was working with Deputy S. Boone of the Sheriff's Department and helping in the search.
We were in the northwest corner of the sixth floor when Deputy Boone and myself spotted the rifle about the same time.
The rifle was a 7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Similar DescriptionsDeputy Sheriff Boone's affidavit " What appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a telescopic site.
The rifle had what appeared to be a brownish, black stock and blue steel, metal parts."Testimony Seymour Weitzman Mr. BALL - You also said it was a gun metal color? Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes. Mr. BALL - Gray or blue? Mr. WEITZMAN - Blue metal.Mr. BALL - And the rear portion of the bolt was visibly worn, is that worn? Mr. WEITZMAN - That's right. Mr. BALL - And the wooden portion of the rifle was what color? Mr. WEITZMAN - It was a brown, or I would say not a mahogany brown but dark oak brown. Mr. BALL - Rough wood, was it? Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; rough wood. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Speculations and RumorsCommission finding.--Weitzman, the original source of the speculation that the rifle was a Mauser, and Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone found the weapon. Weitzman did not handle the rifle and did not examine it at close range. He had little more than a glimpse of it and thought it was a Mauser, a German bolt-type rifle similar in appearance to the Mannlicher-Carcano. Police laboratory technicians subsequently arrived and correctly identified the weapon as a 6.5 Italian rifle. btw: Here's what he told the FBI on Saturday... [meanwhile, the FBI already had the gun after midnight, Friday]Nov. 23, 1963
Weitzman FBI Report "Mr. Weitzman described the rifle was found as a 7.65 caliber Mauser action rifle,
loads from a five shot clip is locked on the underside of the receiver forward of the trigger guard.
The metal parts of this rifle were of a gun metal color, gray or blue and the rear portion of the bolt was visibly worn.
The wooden portions of this rifle were a dark brown in color and of rough wood apparently having
been used or damaged to a considerable extent. The rifle was equipped with a four power 18 scope of apparent Japanese manufacture.
It's also equipped with a thick brown- black leather bandolier type sling."- five shot clip
- locked on the underside of trigger guard
- dark brown in color and of rough wood
- rear portion of the stock visibly worn
- damaged to a considerable extent
- four power 18 scope Japanese make
- bandolier type strap
...and with a little more than a glimpse...he can still call it a 7.65mm
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 27, 2020 9:13:14 GMT -5
AIRTEL Do tell Lt. Day describes the first transmission to the FBI re: what the rifle is:Mr. McCLOY. There was never any doubt in your mind what the rifle was from the minute you saw it? Mr. DAY. No, sir; It was stamped right on there, 6.5, and when en route to the office with Mr. Odum,
the FBI agent who drove me in, he radioed it in, he radioed in what it was to the FBI over the air. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is so important "...he radioed it in"...to whom? - that would generate a report. All affidavits on the rifle call it a 7.65 Mauser Here is the first report of the rifle to the FBI, if it says 6.5 just as Day claims, where is that report? What did he call in? Where is the memo the call would generate? The FBI calls them AIRTELs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Testimony Alan Belmont, FBI"We have a communication called AIRTEL which is simply a communication in letter form on a particular form which upon receipt is regarded as a matter of urgency and requires special handling. So that you will understand that, in an effort to cut expenses, we determined that a matter which could not wait for a report or a letter was normally sent by teletype, which is a relatively expensive means of communication. By sending an AIRTEL which would be recognized for special handling, the office could receive the same information by mail with a delay of perhaps 12 hours and it would still receive the urgent handling that we require for that particular thing. That is the purpose of the AIRTEL. " ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The FBI receiving the rifle that killed the president, certainly should require the special handling of a written AIRTELWhere is it?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 27, 2020 9:13:41 GMT -5
Gauge the Half Truth
The Warren Commission Report was released in Sept. 1964,
but it took well in to Oct even Nov. to get copies of the 26 volumes.
During that six or eight weeks there were both "promotional leaks" and critics quoting from the report.
One of those stories was a Mauser being found in the building.
In early Oct. '64, Commissioner Gerald Ford gave an interview with LIFE and tried to explain the issue.
The excuse he gave of a newspaper man getting his scoop, was in direct conflict with facts in both documents and testimony.
Lt Day said something similar, that a newsman called it a 30.06 and another one called it a Mauser.
Each of these excuses makes no mention of where the officers got 7.65, while looking for a 6.5mm rifle.
or that it was Constable Weitzman that swore to a 7.65 Mauser that weekend, even while the FBI had the gun.
Or worse, why these conflicts continued on affidavits and FBI reports until Monday. Nov 25th.
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Gerald Ford | LIFE Magazine
Oct 02, 1964
"A reporter facing an immediate deadline, asked an officer standing nearby what make the rifle might be.
He said he thought it was a Mauser. The reporter filed his story, calling the gun a Mauser,
and a description was relayed around the world. Although it was followed by a correction, the error stirred up wide confusion."
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Lieutenant Day | WC Testimony
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever hear this rifle referred to as a 7.65 Mauser or as any type of a Mauser?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir; it wasn’t referred to as that.
Some of the newsmen, when I first carried the rifle out, asked me if it was a .30 / 06, and at another time
they asked me if it was a Mauser. I did not give them an answer.
Mr. BELIN. Were there newsmen on the sixth floor at the time the rifle was found, if you know?
Mr. DAY. I think there was.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever describe the rifle as anything but a 6.5-caliber with regard to the rifle itself?
Mr. DAY. I didn’t describe the rifle to anyone other than police officers.
No mention of the actual sworn statements from Police and Deputies trained in weapon identification.
Notice Day didn't say what he described the gun as...he only answered regarding to whom.
Deputy Boone testified without further inquiry, that Capt. Fritz, alongside Lt Day identified the rifle as a Mauser.
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Eugene Boone | WC Testimony
Mr. BALL - Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE - I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it,
not knowing what it was, he said that is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is,
the ID man was getting ready to photograph it. We were just discussing it beck and forth.
And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser.
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Capt Fritz | WC Testimony
Mr. BALL. Did you think it was a Mauser?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I knew--
you can read on the rifle what it was and you could also see on the cartridge what caliber it was.
Mr. BALL. Well, did you ever make any---did you ever say that it was a 7.65 Mauser?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I am sure I did not.
Mr. BALL. Or did you think it was such a thing?
Mr. FRITZ. I am not too sure about Mauser rifles myself.
But I am certainly sure that I never did give anyone any different caliber than the one that shows on the cartridges.
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Who's On First?
Ford needed a quick answer in early Oct., without going into details about any sworn statements.
Lt Day's testimony was probably the first place he looked in reference to the issue and hoped it would go away.
Boone fingered Fritz and Day, and called the Lieutenant, "...the ID man..."
But it ends with Fritz, "...you could also see on the cartridge what caliber it was..." Someone was lying, Fritz or Boone.
Why would any officer, trained in rifle identification continually swear to a caliber different than the shell that was found?
One step further asks, How do two officers go back to different locations and swear to that same 7.65 caliber?
All the above evasion has nothing to do with Weitzman, he was never mentioned in any these lame excuses.
Not by Day, not by Ford, not when Boone was excused without further inquiry. Nope, never brought him up.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 27, 2020 9:14:30 GMT -5
Eugene BooneLondon Weekend Television Special
“The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald” (1986)
GERRY SPENCE: So as far as you’re concerned at the time; that gun that you saw in the stacks was a Mauser isn’t that right?
LT. BOONE:- At that point in time yes, sir.
GERRY SPENCE: And it wasn’t until after a certain gun in the possession of the FBI suddenly turned out to be a Mannlicher.
That it changed from being a Mauser to a Mannlicher. Isn’t that true?
LT. BOONE: I would say that’s an accurate statement yes, sir
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In 1976 Chief Curry told the Detroit News
"...that “it’s more than possible” the rifle could have been switched and
that due to lack of security anyone wanting to do so “could have gotten away with it at the time.”
(source Jim Marrs)
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