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Post by Paul Ernst on Sept 27, 2018 21:43:31 GMT -5
What is wrong with the brought in evidence and Commission Exhibits. What is wrong with the WC and other authorities.
1. Composition WC. 2. Way of acting from those WC members. 3. Way from questions witnesses. 4. Leading witnesses. 5. Cross examination.
6. Behaviour DPD. 7. Evidence DPD. 8. Evidence list DPD. 9. Investigation DPD. 10. Way from questions witnesses. 11. Photographic evidence.
12. Reanacment SS. 13. Reanactment FBI evidence FBI.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Sept 28, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
7. Evidence DPD.Pictures don't lie. According the so called investigation the found 3 empty shells and 1 rejected from the Mannlicher Carcano bolt action rifle. An interesting and source can be found here: thegipster.blogspot.com/2013/10/jfk-missing-shell-chicanery-of-joseph.htmlLater more about the evidence list brought in. Mr. STUDEBAKER. They found the empty hulls in the southeast corner of the building - they found three empty hulls and we went over there and took photographs of that. Mr. BALL. Do you have that photograph with you? Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes. Mr. BALL. Could I see it, please? Paul Ernst.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Sept 28, 2018 23:03:02 GMT -5
13. Reanactment FBI evidence FBI.
Shooting test from a tower approx. acc. Frazier FBI from 30 Feet. Target at 175,240 and 265 Feet. Huh I thought the window sill of the TSBD was 60 +(2inch), acc. Frazier's testemony for the WC!Cheers!
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Post by Tony Fratini on Sept 29, 2018 8:01:57 GMT -5
Collating the Crime Scene EvidenceLt. Day and Detective Studebaker ("Crime Lab") from the DP were charged with the collating of the evidence found on the 6th floor of the TSBD on 22/11/1963. Day was a very experienced Officer but Studebaker had minimal experience, especially in photography. Their primary role was to photograph and document the crime scene evidence and to bring it into City Hall for further processing. They did a shocking job at it, causing much controversy for years down the track. Day brought in the rifle (CE 139) carried by the strap at ~ 2.00 pm. He had commenced processing the rifle by dusting it for prints on the 6th floor of the TSBD. At ~ 3.00 pm - Det. Montgomery carried a large paper bag (CE 142) in his hand with a flat object inside it. The bag was held upside down allowing for any contents to fall out. Det. Johnson carried the chicken lunch sack (was dusted for prints and tagged) a Dr Pepper bottle as well as a cigarette packet. These items were clocked into City Hall at 3.20 pm. At around 11.45 pm - Day handed in CE 139, CE 142, as well as some other items to Vincent Drain of the FBI. Day did not hand in the chicken lunch sack, Dr Pepper bottle, cigarette packet, an unspent bullet and a window sill piece removed from the so-called SN nest. The DP crime lab did not have time to thoroughly analyse the evidence. The evidence was taken to Washington. The FBI processed the evidence. Both Day and Studebaker inexplicably failed to photograph one key piece of evidence in situ - the 38 inch paper bag (CE 142). This paper bag was allegedly used by Lee Harvey Oswald to bring in CE 139 that morning. I will discuss the handling of this paper bag in a separate thread. Unfortunately the bungling of the crime scene evidence from day 1 caused much controversy. Good to be here in this forum - hopefully I can contribute some useful material for discussion. cheers, Tony
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Post by Paul Ernst on Sept 29, 2018 13:06:51 GMT -5
Tony welcome to this forum my friend.
Cheers Paul.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Sept 29, 2018 16:41:25 GMT -5
7. Evidence DPD.Where is the ammo clip?Where is the 3rd shell?Watch the date: november 26, 1963, was Capt. Frits walking around for tree days or more with a huls???Br. Paul.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 29, 2018 20:55:38 GMT -5
I am also suspicious of Drain arriving at DPD around 2p while Day is at TSBD / then Drain (alone) taking that list you posted to WASH [except the live round?]
at least part of that list is what VD is referring to below - but once again the timeline doesn't add up - 2p or 8p - the items left at midnight with no accompanied DPD
Vince Drain [FBI] arrived at DPD about 2:30p. Lt. Day is back at TSBD. AND at some point that day Drain (for the FBI) took over the evidence. Vince Drain: Earlier in the evening, about 8:00 o’clock, the division chief had talked to me on the telephone and informed me that the FBI in Washington demanded that we bring them for examination the rifle, the revolver that was used to kill Tippit, as well as the different paraphernalia such as identification cards and other small items that Oswald had on him. I discussed it with the police chief and told him that we’d keep the chain of evidence intact and that I would pick them up there myself and wait for them until they were examined in Washington then bring them back. So it was turned over to us. from Vincent Drain Special Agent, FBI[/div] He says it was around 8p…but as late as midnight November 22, Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade was still telling the media that the weapon found was a Mauser….and Seymour Weitzman said the same thing to the FBI on Saturday & Sunday.
…but then…once the gun is in the hands of the FBI…
Eugene Boone London Weekend Television Special “The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald” (1986)
GERRY SPENCE: So as far as you’re concerned at the time; that gun that you saw in the stacks was a Mauser isn’t that right? LT. BOONE:- At that point in time yes, sir.
GERRY SPENCE: And it wasn’t until after a certain gun in the possession of the FBI suddenly turned out to be a Mannlicher. That it changed from being a Mauser to a Mannlicher. Isn’t that true?
LT. BOONE: I would say that’s an accurate statement yes, sir
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In 1976 Chief Curry told the Detroit News that “it’s more than possible” the rifle could have been switched and that due to lack of security anyone wanting to do so “could have gotten away with it at the time.” (source Jim Marrs)
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Post by Tony Fratini on Sept 29, 2018 21:44:14 GMT -5
Buell Wesley Frazier was given a polygraph test at around 11.45 pm that evening and he was shown the paper bag (CE 142). So Drain could not have taken into possession all of the evidence by 8 pm. It must of been much later that evening as Drain took CE 142 with him. Here is a video showing Drain holding CE 139 and another agent holding the other evidence in a paper bag. youtu.be/ua6RYU3wMQo
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Post by Michael Capasse on Sept 30, 2018 6:13:56 GMT -5
Buell Wesley Frazier was given a polygraph test at around 11.45 pm that evening and he was shown the paper bag (CE 142). So Drain could not have taken into possession all of the evidence by 8 pm. It must of been much later that evening as Drain took CE 142 with him. Here is a video showing Drain holding CE 139 and another agent holding the other evidence in a paper bag. youtu.be/ua6RYU3wMQo HI Tony - welcome to this forum - I am glad you are here.
I agree VD doesn't take the evidence until midnight - but he is there from about 2:30p until about midnight. so taking possession while still there could also mean allowing testing or demonstrating any item before he leaves.
I am very suspicious of this man throughout this process. He is also the one to claim the Minox camera was a light meter - and just like the Mauser, DPD officers are all mistaken.
When it looks like bumbling by the DPD - look closer the FBI is nearby. It is better to not be absolute; than to be absolutely not.
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Post by Tony Fratini on Sept 30, 2018 6:58:15 GMT -5
Very glad to be here! What a breath of fresh air.
I don't think we will get to the bottom of how the evidence was "processed" by the DP and the FBI. It went back and forth like a yo yo.
I wonder if LBJ phoned Hoover to seize the evidence and to muzzle Wade and Curry from talking to the press.
Coverup was in progress from day 1.
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