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At the Habana Bar and Lounge

Orset Pena was the owner of the "Habana Bar and Lounge" in New Orleans.
He was a Cuban immigrant, naturalized as a US Citizen in 1956.
As the owner he had eyes and ears in the neighborhood,
and soon he became one the FBI could lean on for information.

In 1967, Pena contacted JFK researcher Harold Weisberg.
Weisberg had written two books about the assassination and was working on a third.
Orset wanted to get the facts documented about what he had seen and heard that summer.

Pena was treated much like other witnesses that disagreed with the lone assassin conclusion.
There were several interrogations with the FBI repeating the same questions to the point of harassment.
This compares closely with the tactic that was used on Dealey Plaza witness Arnold Rowland.
Several undocumented visits from the FBI, hounding of the same questions, and personal smearing of the witness.
Pena told Weisberg, he encountered all those things, and in particular did not trust SA Warren de Brueys.

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Shaw Trial | Grand Jury Testimony
Harold Weisberg | April 28, 1967

"The FBI agent and a mysterious one to me, maybe not to you.
Warren de Brueys is fluent in Spanish, translates documents, he is one of these Spanish experts,
he is one of the Oswald experts, Pena had been an informant for him reporting on those for Castro.

When Oswald left New Orleans so did de Bnueys. When Oswald wound up in Dallas so did de Brueys.
When he was no longer in Dallas neither was de Brueys. He came back to New Orleans when Oswald got murdered
a remarkable coincidence, gentlemen.

So Warren de Brueys from the time of his first attendance at the Cuban organizational meetings had Pena
as an informer. Pena got to object to it because there is a technique detectives call rough shadowing,
its about making your presence known - the one thing you never do with an informer is associate with him because
obviously he is not going to get any stuff for you, everybody says oh, there is that FBI guy we won't say
anything in front of Pena.

And Pena said there were things that they came and asked him over and over again that he had
already told them a dozen and half times. The things that they should have asked him they didn't.
The same story everybody gets a chance to talk says."

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JFK Facts.org

"Orest Pena’s story is particularly compelling because he was trusted by the FBI agents in New Orleans.
As a bar owner of Cuban descent, he saw and heard a lot of interest to law enforcement.

Oswald had visited his bar in the summer of 1963 in the company of a man Pena described as Mexican.
Pena also said he saw Oswald with FBI agent Warren DeBreuys on several occasions.
DeBreuys denied this and denigrated Pena as unreliable.

In fact, Pena was able to prove that he had been a confidential source for the FBI and still his testimony was ignored.
The HSCA took him more seriously and was able to incorporate his testimony into their account of the assassination."

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Orset Pena

In the summer of 1963, Pena saw Oswald in his place with two Mexicans.
He realized it was Lee from the pictures he had seen after the assassination
Oswald ordered a lemonade, and the bartender had to ask Pena how to make it and what to charge.
Pena remembered him because in 7 years at that bar, nobody had ever ordered one.

Pena was in a unique situation, as a Cuban he had a personal interest in the actions against Castro.
He hated the dictator and wanted to do what he could for his family and friends left behind.
Orset also knew David Ferrie very well. In fact, Ferrie was teaching Pena how to fly an airplane.
Liebeler dare not ask about that. He did ask about anti-Castro groups in the Balter Bldg (544 Camp st)

Camp St. were the offices of Guy Banister, often visited by David Ferrie and Lee Oswald.
On the 2nd floor had been the office of the Sergio Arcacha Smith and the CIA sponsored network,
"Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front".

When Pena brought these organizations up, Liebeler sought to muddle the record.
Pena told Weisberg it was obvious Liebeler wouldn't ask about Arcacha Smith.
Instead he brought up "Junta Revolutionaria Cubana", a name Pena didn't recall being there.
He did remember that boss was Barona, out of Miami. It had nothing to do with Camp st.

After the assassination, Pena was telling people Oswald had been in his bar.
Then the FBI began pestering Orset more than a dozen times, always asking the same questions.
Just like witness Arnold Rowland, from all these visits, the FBI only produced two reported interviews.

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Orset Pena | WC Testimony

Mr. LIEBELER - What organization was that?

Mr. PENA - I don't know. The FBI know very well because a person from the FBI was there all the time.
I don't remember exactly the name of the organization right now,
but the organization was in the Balter Building, I think, in the second floor.

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Mr. LIEBELER - When you talked to the FBI 2 weeks ago, did they ask you about this again?
Mr. PENA - Yes; they asked me about this more than a dozen times.

Mr. LIEBELER - They asked you more than a dozen times about this?
Mr. PENA - Yes.

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Mr. PENA - Yes; we was talking about that day. You see, I did like very, very much Mr. Kennedy.
Mr. LIEBELER - You did or did not?

Mr. PENA - I did. Very, very much. So I was hurt when he got killed.
So when I saw the man there I saw the man--so I went around and told most of my customers
that I saw Oswald came to my place.

Mr. LIEBELER - When you talked to the FBI on June 9, 1964, you told them, did you not,
that you had never told anybody that Oswald had been in the bar?

Mr. PENA - That I never told anybody?

Mr. LIEBELER - Yes.
Mr. PENA - That's not true.

Mr. LIEBELER - Didn't you tell that to the FBI?
Mr. PENA - I don't think that's so. That I never told anybody?

Mr. LIEBELER - Yes.
Mr. PENA - I didn't told anybody before?

Mr. LIEBELER - I have a report before me, Mr. Pena, of an interview of you in the presence of your attorney,
Mr. Tamberella, which was made by Mr. De Brueys and Mr. Wall. That was in the FBI office on June 9, and on page 2
of this particular report, which is page 14 of the larger report, it says, and I quote:

"Orest Pena specifically stated he had never told anyone, including Carlos Bringuier, that Oswald had been in the Habana Bar
with a Mexican prior to the assassination of President Kennedy. He also said he never heard his brother,
Ruperto Pena, say that Oswald had been in the bar with a Mexican. He also stated that he had no information that
the FBI was ever looking for a Mexican who had ever patronized his bar."

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you tell the FBI that?
Mr. PENA - I don't think so.

Mr. LIEBELER - In fact, you did tell Bringuier that you had seen Oswald in the bar?
Mr. PENA - When we were talking after the assassination, we were talking about it.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you tell the FBI agents back in December that Oswald had been in the bar and that you had seen him?
Mr. PENA - Yes.

Mr. LIEBELER - And that Rodriguez had seen him there, too?
Mr. PENA - Yes; that's the first time they interviewed me about Oswald.

Mr. LIEBELER - On December 5, as far as I can tell. I have only two reports.
had asked him more than dozen times, and he only has two reports.

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Warren deBrueys | Special Agent FBI

Warren deBrueys did not appear before the Commission, although he should have for clarification.
Orset Pena also did not appear before the members, he was deposed in New Orleans by Attorney Leibeler alone.
As the testimony continued, Pena made sure Leibeler would find time to talk about the tactics of SA deBrueys.

He said de Brueys attended anti Castro meetings and every one there knew he was an agent.
The agent was sticking very close to these meetings, making himself known, but was unwanted.
Pena complained to his supervisor, and two days later was threatened by deBrueys,
"...not to talk about him any more because what he could do is get me in big trouble..."

He told Wesiberg, deBrueys showed up about 50 times, and a number of those, was obviously with Lee Oswald.
An FBI agent that "When Oswald left New Orleans so did deBrueys. When Oswald wound up in Dallas so did deBrueys.
When he was no longer in Dallas neither was deBrueys. He came back to New Orleans when Oswald got murdered
a remarkable coincidence, gentlemen."

Lee Oswald's connection to the FBI runs deep in New Orleans.
Banister, the Camp St. address, the anti Castro meetings, Ferrie, even the gun.
After the assassination, FBI Vincent Drain took the rifle to Washington, he left at midnight.

Dallas Police had collected the rifle, but no DPD officer went with the gun, although one probably should have.
Warren deBrueys went. Questions arose later about the type of gun that was found and a "Mauser."
Is it possible the rifle was actually from New Orleans, and didn't arrive in Dallas until Oct. '63 ?
I have no doubt there is something suspicious about this man in relation to this case, and missing files.

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Orset Pena | WC Testimony

Mr. LIEBELER - "...You have a good deal of hostility toward the FBI, do you not?

Mr. PENA - We got to talk about something else before I tell about the FBI in New Orleans,
so you let me know, so I tell about the FBI, what I think about it, if I can express myself well enough to
put my point of view about some of the agents of the FBI in New Orleans. Anyway, I will tell you.
See if you can understand my view.

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Mr. LIEBELER - You wanted to tell me something about the FBI in New Orleans. Why don't you do that now.
Mr. PENA - You see, I started--like I told you, when that organization moved in New Orleans--

Mr. LIEBELER - This is the anti-Castro organization?
Mr. PENA - Yes. So I went down there and joined the organization.

In 1959 when I went to Cuba, my mother told me how everything was going; so she says,
"He is even worse than Batista." So when I came back, I joined the organization a little bit after that,
the organization here in New Orleans. So I went and joined them and started working for the organization collecting
money at my place of business and giving my own money for many things to the organization, you know, a dollar, two dollars.

Then deBrueys came to the organization. Maybe I don't know if sent by the Government or how, but he went to the organization.

Mr. LIEBELER - He joined it?
Mr. PENA - No; he didn't join it, but he was sticking with the organization very, very close.

Mr. LIEBELER - They knew he was an FBI agent?

Mr. PENA - Yes; we knew he was an FBI agent. So from time to time he called me at my place.
He went to my place and was asking me about this guy and that guy, different people here in New Orleans.
So I told him what I thought about the men. I tell you that and then you find out if I am right or if I am wrong.
I never did ask if I was right or wrong. I told him about people that I am for sure they are for Castro here in New Orleans.
So one way or the other, he was interfering with me somehow, Mr. deBrueys, so--

Mr. LIEBELER - deBrueys was interfering with you?

Mr. PENA - Yes. Somehow. So one day I went to the FBI. They called me to the FBI.
I don't remember exactly for what they called me. So I told deBrueys'--I told deBrueys' or some. body else that I talked to--
deBrueys' boss--I didn't ask them who it was. They was FBI. They was in the FBI office I told the agency there
I don't talk to deBrueys. I don't trust him as an American.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you tell them any reasons why you didn't?

Mr. PENA - Because he was interfering very close with the organization against Castro.
So since that day--we got in a little bit of argument there. We was talking about somebody.
The FBI asked me about a man that had been in the group before, about somebody--if I knew somebody--if I knew his way for signing.

So I asked DeBrueys, "Did I told you about this man?" He said, "No." I got mad. I said,
"If you said I didn't told you about that man, I don't trust you as an American, to be for an American."

So 2 days later he went to my place of business. He said to me at the table, "I want to talk to you." I said,
"Okay, let's go." He said not to talk about him any more because what he could do is get me in big trouble.
He said, "I am an FBI man. I can get you in big trouble." But he made a mistake.
I had a gift that was with me that was here when he was discussing me.

Mr. LIEBELER - Somebody else was there and heard it?

Mr. PENA - Yes. He was discussing me not to talk about it. He was an FBI man and he could get me in big trouble.
So I talked to my girl friend and said, "Look, I better pull out of this thing.
What the FBI wants me is to pull away from that organization and just keep away from those things, politics,"
so I pull away, and I never did heard from the FBI any more until Mr. Kennedy got assassinated.

They left me alone completely. They never asked me after I pulled out of the organization. After that,
I never listened to anybody talking about politics in the place. I tried to keep out of it the most I could.
They never did call me any more until Oswald got--and then they started coming here talking to me because
we was talking about the incident.

Mr. LIEBELER - So your complaints about the FBI here in New Orleans relate basically to the anti-Castro proposition and
not to the investigation of the assassination; is that correct?

Mr. PENA - No, no. That was way before.

Mr. LIEBELER - You don't have any criticism of the FBI as far as the investigation of the Kennedy assassination
was concerned except that you just don't like to talk to the FBI any more; is that right?

Mr. PENA - You mean after the assassination?
Mr. LIEBELER - Yes.

Mr. PENA - After the assassination, they came and asked me so many times about the same thing, lemonade,
it just looked silly to me. They came over so many times, I said, I better do something about it.

I called my lawyer and said, "Look! I don't know anything else about this.
I want you to go with me there and put it clear that that's what I know about it and I don't want no more part of that.

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William Walter

On 11/22, William Walter was a 21 yr old student at Tulane University,
working part time as a security clerk at the local FBI in New Orleans.

He began in '61 as a file clerk, and eventually worked his way up to
G4 Midnight Security Clerk, his hours were from Midnight until 8am
Some functions included answering the telephone, and monitoring the teletype machines.

He told the HSCA in March of 1978, he had information of Lee Oswald being an FBI Informant.
He said there would have been two types of file, Security type, or Informant type.
They are specified by numbers, 105 or 134, he recalled there were Oswald files in both categories.
When he went to pull the files from the index they were not there.

It was after the assassination that Walter was curious enough to look for any other files in the office.
Locked in a safe security cabinet, was a file related to Lee Oswald from Special Agent, Warren de Brueys.
Although he didn't recall the numbered category on that file, he remembered it was Security or Informant and he had
already seen indexes of others on Lee in both the categories, containing both numbers 135 or 104.

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William Walter | HSCA Testimony

MR. WALTER. ...Your question of whether or not I have knowledge concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's being an informant
or what knowledge I have of Lee Oswald for the assassination is that I was on duty
Saturday morning in November for October when Oswald requested to be interviewed by an FBI agent.

MR. GENZMAN. Could you be speaking of August 1963?

MR. WALTER Sometime before the assassination. He had been arrested by the New Orleans' Police Department during a--
I believe it was a picketing of a "Fair play for Cuba" committee or he was involved in the "Fair play for Cuba Committee"..
He requested an agent to interview him at the police department and--

MR. GENZMAN. An agent?

MR. WALTER Yes, an Agent Quigley handed me a memorandum with Lee Harvey Oswald's name on it and asked me to check
the indexes and determine whether or not there was any file or files on that named individual in the New Orleans office.

I recall searching the indexes and finding a card that showed more than one file number,
which would indicate we had more than one case, not necessarily meaning that the cases were on active investigation
but that sometimes during New Orleans office inquiry into Oswald there were cases that his name appeared in other than one file.

When I search for these files in the normal filing area of the Bureau, which was in an open bay filing,
the files were not there. From looking at the numbers they fell in the category-- looking at the file numbers
they fell in the category security type, informant type files, 105 classification 134 classification.

I gave the memorandum with the notation of the file numbers we had in our indexes back to Agent Quigley and
that is the last I heard for the last time I was interested in seeing any information about Oswald until after the assassination.
It was after the assassination that I was curious and went back to look to see what files would indicate that had been done
by the New Orleans office to Oswald, curious as to whether or not our office had an ongoing investigation before the assassination.

What I found was a file in the Special Agent In-charge's safe or his locked file cabinet,
and I don't recall the file number but I recall on the jacket of the file Special Agent de Brueys' name.

I want to make one point, that, I only found one file even though, as I recall,
there were more files listed that our office had that had Oswald's name reference in them.
I need to make a distinction that just because an individual would have his name in the indexes and a file number
would not necessarily mean that the file was-- at the individual was the subject of that file.

He could have just been interviewed and an interview sheet put in the file.
In that case, the page number would be listed next to the file number to show the serial that
that individual had in that file. In Oswald case it showed that there were more than one file assigned--
--number assigned to him.

MR. GENZMAN. With reference to the file on the Special Agent de Brueys' name appeared, could you,
at this time, identify that file as being a security informant file as opposed to some other type of file?

MR. WALTER. I can't recall what file jacket I looked at it was either a 105 or a 134
I don't really know. I could not in 1968 when I was asked could not remember then either.

MR. GENZMAN. You know of any FBI employee develop Oswald as an informant or confidential source of information?

MR. WALTER. I don't have any firsthand knowledge other than what I saw on the jacket,
the name that I saw on the jacket of the file.

I know employees of the FBI should have knowledge Oswald being involved either as an informant
for a security investigation and there were agents that were in the position and the sign to
these categories within the New Orleans jurisdiction.

MR. GENZMAN. Can you name any one would substantiate the allegations that Oswald was an FBI informant?

MR. WALTER. I don't know of anyone that would, but I can give you the names of some that should know:
Ernest wall, Milton Kaack, Warren de Brueys -- that is all that comes to mind.

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Back in the USSR

The Savoy, once The Berlin Hotel

Evidence of Lee as an agent is revealed in different aspects of the case, some go back to Oct. '59, and his defection to Russia.
Questions still remain where he got the money for first class travel and 60 days at the prestigious Hotel Berlin.

His tour guide Rimma Semenova Shirakova, was a 23 year old Russian woman that would be with him in Moscow.
He surrendered his passport at the OVIR (the Visa and Registration Agency) in exchange for his temporary visa.
As soon as his second day, he decided he wanted to stay, and formally applied for Soviet citizenship.

Lee Oswald Diary | Oct 17, 1959
Rima meets me for Intourist sightseeing, says we must continue with this although I am too nervous,
she is "sure" I'll have an answer soon. Asks me about myself and my reasons for doing this. I explain I am a communist, etc.
She is politely sympathetic, but uneasy now. She tries to be a friend to me. She feels sorry for me; I am something new.

Rimma said in 1993, it was around this time Lee started telling her he knew,"...military secrets which he would willing to
pass to the Soviets--he knew things about airplanes and devices and that he wants to meet with Soviet authorities..."
Source: Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia: An Unauthorized History from the Kennedy Assassination | Peter Wronski 1991-2004

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Access Denied

Three days after arriving (Oct 19^th) Lee was interviewed by Lev Setyayev (KGB) posing as a reporter.
The next day he was interviewed by Abram Shaknazarov of the KGB, and later that evening was informed, his request was denied.
Oct 20^th, Lee attempted suicide by cutting his left wrist and was brought to Botkinskaya Hospital.
His injury was only about 5 cm. long on his forearm, it did not reach the tendon muscles, and required only 4 stitches

The cutting of only one wrist and the relative result of minor injury brings to question the commitment of his actions.
It has been suggested as being a staged event, for media, or political news purposes, forcing Soviet further considerations.
He remained in the hospital until Oct. 28^th, while recovering he was visited by an American he had spoken to "at Embassy"

Lee Oswald Diary | Oct 26, 1959
"An elderly American at the hospital grows suspicious about me for some reason,
maybe because at Embassy I told him I had not registered as most tourists and I am in general evasive

about my presence in Moscow and at hospital."

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The American Visitor

Botkinskaya Hospital

When Lee arrived in Russia on Oct 19, 1959, he did not check in with the American Embassy as most tourists would.
Instead, he presented his passport to the Russian authorities in exchange for his visa papers and began his visit.
Yet, his diary noted an elderly American he had spoken to "at Embassy", and that gentleman took an interest in him
at the hospital. The Commission wanted to know who this man was, and suggested it was an American tourist.
There was no additional investigation to prove his identity, and the record assumes that conclusion.

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Llewellyn E. Thompson | WC Testimony
Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia.

Mr. SLAWSON. Mr. Ambassador, I have a name of an American citizen, Mr. William Edgerton Morehouse, Jr.,
who, according to the records of the Department of State, was hospitalized in a hospital in Moscow in the fall of 1959.

According to records furnished us by the Russian Government, and according to the personal diary kept by Lee Harvey Oswald,
he, too, was hospitalized in the latter part of October, and commented--Oswald commented in his diary--
that in his ward with him was what he described as an elderly American.

We are trying to locate that American. We think that possibly this Mr. Morehouse was that person.
I wonder if you had ever heard of Mr. Morehouse before, or know who he might be?

Ambassador THOMPSON. I have no recollection of having heard of this man before.
Mr. SLAWSON. Do you have any recollection of any other American that might fit this description?

Ambassador THOMPSON. No; I do recall that there have been American tourists who have been in the hospital in Moscow.
But I don't recall at that particular date whether there were any.

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KGB REPORT | Released 1999

"In the building where Oswald was staying, one other American was receiving treatment at the same time.
This person was visited by a friend, a staff member of the U.S. Embassy.
The latter took an interest in Oswald and asked whether he was registered at the U.S. Embassy and what had
happened to him. Oswald, according to him, did not tell him anything."

"On October 24, the Embassy called and asked when Oswald would be discharged from the hospital."
[US Department of State, Office of Language Services, Translation Division, LS no.0692061-4 JS/PH, 1999.]

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Meanwhile

The US Embassy was not supposed to have any knowledge of Oswald's presence in Moscow until October 31^st.
Yet on the 28^th Lee was released from the hospital without further inquiry.
The next day, Oswald was advised by the head of OVIR (the Visa and Registration Agency) that he could remain
in the USSR pending a final decision on his request for citizenship.

But then, who called from the Embassy about Oswald on October 24th? Who was the man Lee had spoken to "at Embassy"?
Source: Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia: An Unauthorized History from the Kennedy Assassination | Peter Wronski 1991-2004

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Renunciation 'bout

On Oct. 31, 1959, Lee Oswald walked into the American Embassy at Moscow and tried to renounce his American citizenship.
John McVickar and Richard Snyder were the Consular at the the time. McVickar sensed something almost immediately.
He told the Commission it was as though he was trying to bait the consul. Passport Adjudicator, Bernice Waterman thought he was being
ambiguous, and Commission member Gerald Ford called her response as a technicality, and read Lee's renouncement into the record.

Miss Waterman went further to say the reason Lee was denied was because he refused to fill out the proper paperwork.
She simply didn't believe him. Additionally, statements from McVickar indicated their suspicions of Lee having been coached.
Director, Frances Knight, gave conflicting testimony to the Commission, and said the decision was made by Passport Office lawyers.
The US State department sent a wire to the Embassy telling officials to allow this action if he so desires. It was refused.

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John McVickar | WC Testimony
Foreign Service officer stationed at American Embassy in Soviet Union.

Mr. McVICKAR: "I think that he did seem to know something about the renunciation process,
and it was almost as though he was trying to bait the consul into taking an adverse action against him.

He mentioned that he knew certain classified things in connection with having been
I think a radar operator in the Marine Corps, and that he was going to turn this
information over to the Soviet authorities."

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Bernice Waterman | WC Testimony
Adjudicator, Passport Office, Department of State.

Representative FORD. I do think I ought to read what he said on October 31.
Miss WATERMAN. Yes; I believe I recall that.

Representative FORD. Here is a letter or a statement in Lee Harvey Oswald's handwriting, which says:
"I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked.

"I have entered the Soviet Union for the express purpose of applying for citizenship in the Soviet Union,
through the means of naturalization. "My request for citizenship is now pending before the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R.

"I take these steps for political reasons. My request for the revoking of my American citizenship is
made only after the longest and most serious considerations. "I affirm that my allegiance is to the Union of
Soviet Socialist Republics." Signed, "Lee Harvey Oswald." I don't think that is very ambiguous."

Miss WATERMAN. Well, perhaps not. But the procedure was explained to him, and he,
as I recall, took no interest in completing any forms to make his renunciation of American citizenship official.

Representative FORD. The only question that I raise, Miss Waterman, is in light of this evidence, your statement that
there is available no information and/or evidence to show that Mr. Oswald has expatriated himself under the
pertinent laws of the United States----

Miss WATERMAN. I think that is correct. I think the statement is correct.

Representative FORD. That is a very technical response, or technical statement.
I think there was evidence that he had placed before Government officials his desire to renounce his citizenship.

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John McVickar | WC Testimony
Foreign Service officer stationed at American Embassy in Soviet Union.

"... he gave me the impression, and this was supported by the impressions other people seemed to have at the time through conversation,
that he was a very young person to have so many ideas in his head, and to have done so much about them, in effect,
in such a relatively short time, and so it occurred to some of us that it may be that he had had some coaching from somebody;
but also, I must say, he was an unusual person and apparently sort of an ingrown person, and so it may be that he had conceived
and carried out all these things by himself.

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Cast of Doubt

Oswald's passport file was accessed for review prior to the Passport Director testifying.
She told the members the final decision to deny the request was made by passport lawyers.
But then she said something about the file having been removed late at night, Nov. 22^nd
Conflicting reasons for the denial, and suspicions by the staff of staging, give cause to doubt the authenticity.

What special treatment was obvious given to this file on the night of the assassination?
Where did it go? How do we know the file she was shown last Saturday was the same file on Nov. 22^nd?

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Frances Knight | WC Testimony
Director, Passport Office, Department of State.

Mr. COLEMAN. Well, since the assassination of President Kennedy, have you had occasion to review the passport file.
Miss KNIGHT. Well, the first time that I actually had an opportunity to look through the passport file was last Saturday.

Mr. COLEMAN. Did you get a chance to read each document in the file?
Miss KNIGHT. I read through the file; yes. [then later]

I had not had the opportunity to read the file until last Saturday, because it was taken out of the Passport Office on
November 23, 1963. However, I do not recall----

Mr. DULLES. By whom?

Miss KNIGHT. It was asked for and sent to the Administrator of the Bureau of Security and Consular Affairs,
Mr. Abba Schwartz. I want to make a correction, on that date. It was on November 22 that the file was taken out
of the Passport Office. Late at night, I believe. ''

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Lee Oswald as a government agent has been evident in this process. He needed assistance to finance this trip.
It would take approx. $1,600.⁰⁰ USD for the 60 days Deluxe Tour in the prestigious Berlin Hotel.
He told authorities and reporters he had saved for 3 years from his Marine earnings of about $3,400.00
But Marguerite said he had no money at the time, and was asking her for cash. $1600 was a lot to put down on 1959.

He was tested by the military in the Russian language.
The Commission never addressed the lead it had on an Army training facility, the Monterey School of Language.
Lee had a higher than average security clearance, he knew radar secrets that he threatened to pass to the Russians.
The Consul at the Embassy testified to this, Rimma his tour guide, and it was known by his commanding officer, John Donovan.

He staged an appearance at the Embassy on Oct 31^st, made demands, then refused to complete the paperwork.
Staff members there, were suspicious his actions were posed for some other political or media purpose.
A wire from the State Dept. allowed him to renounce, yet the Passport Office refused to grant the request.
IMO, Lee was surrendering his passport to the US Embassy to keep it secure and out of Soviet hands, the rest was an act.

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HSCA | The Diary

"However scientifically helpful dating the age of the writing might have proven, the inability to do so
did not prevent addressing the truly crucial issue, which might be stated in the question:

Was this document an accumulation of random entries each entry having been made on the date
indicated contemporaneous with the events being recorded?

As to that very important question, the answer is most unsettling, for it appears to be rather clear that this document,
upon which so much reliance has been placed in the reconstructing the defection, is a phony.
In other words, Lee Harvey Oswald's diary was not a diary at all."

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Joseph P. McNally | HSCA
Handwriting Expert

"A check was made of the historical diary. The 12 pages were written with the same type of writing instrument.
The paper used for 11 of the 12 pages is similar; only the last page differs it is appreciably thinner.

The writing has a continuity from page to page and line to line that is indicative of being written about, or at, the same time.
It does not give the impression of being random, as would be expected of a diary extended over a period of time.
It appears that this diary has been written within a short period of time and not over any extensive period."

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That Dirty Little Rumor Nov 5, 2020 10:21:46 GMT -5

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Whose Man is He?

U2 photo over Moscow

from: THE JFK CASE: THE TWELVE WHO BUILT THE OSWALD LEGEND
(Part 4: When the U-2 Goes Down, Oswald is Ready to Return) --By Bill Simpich

The U-2 pilot, Francis Gary Powers, wrote in his book Operation Overflight that he believed
Oswald's defection was related to his being shot down: "Oswald's familiarity with MPS 16 height-finding
radar gear and radio codes...are mentioned in the testimony of John E. Donovan,
a former first lieutenant assigned to the same El Toro radar unit as OSWALD."

Lt. John Emmett Donovan had been Oswald's commanding officer in 1959,
and had discussed more than radar gear and codes:

"OSWALD has access to the location of all bases in the west coast area,
all radio frequencies for all squadrons, all tactical call signs,
and the relative strength of all squadrons, number and type of aircraft in each squadron,
who was the commanding officer, the authentication code of entering and exiting the ADIZ,
which stands for Air Defense Identification Zone. He knew the range of our radar.
He knew the range of our radio. And he knew the range of the surrounding unit's radio and radar."

Donovan was an FBI agent from 1953-1956, and was a recent graduate
from Georgetown University's Foreign Service school when interviewed by the Secret Service
during December 1963. On the same day as this Secret Service interview,
Donovan was contacted by Evening Star reporter Jeremiah O'Leary who was "also a Marine reservist".
Donovan told the Warren Commission that the Marines spent thousands of hours changing
all the tactical frequencies and verifying the destruction of codes.

Whether or not Oswald actually provided U-2 secrets to the Soviets,
it was certainly part of the legend created on his behalf. The best tip-off is right in Oswald's own diary,
where he says that Don Alejandro advised him to go back to the USA on the night of May 1, 1960,
the night that the Soviets shot down Powers' U-2.

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Oswald Diary | May 01, 1960

"Ziger advises me to go back to U.S.A.
It's the first voice of opposition I have heard.
I respect Ziger, he has seen the world. He says many things,
and relates many things I do not know about the USSR. I begin to feel uneasy inside, it's true!"

The CIA's memo says that Ziger "cautioned Oswald not to tell any Russians". Oswald's work in the Soviet Union was done.
Both sides would take a long look at him, saying: "Whose man is he?"

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