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Post by Michael Capasse on Apr 28, 2020 10:11:08 GMT -5
Lee Oswald | 201 SIG file In the investigations of the Church Committee and the House Select Committee on Assassination, connections were uncovered between Lee Harvey Oswald and James Jesus Angleton. Angleton was was chief of CIA Counterintelligence from 1954 to 1975. A CIA 201 file (intelligence file) was opened on Lee, December 9, 1960. That file was opened by Angleton associate, Ann Egerter. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ann Egerter | HSCA TestimonyWhen asked the purpose of the file, she responded, “We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected one way or another.” Q. "Please correct me if I am wrong. In light of the example that you have given and the statements that you have made it seems that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited and that limited purpose was being [sic] to investigate Agency employees who for some reason were under suspicion.” Egerter: “That is correct.” Q. “When a 201 file is opened does that mean that whoever opens the file has either an intelligence interest in the individual, or, if not an intelligence interest, he thinks that the individual may present a counterintelligence risk?” Egerter: “Well, in general, I would say that would be correct.” Q. “Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?” Egerter: “No, I can’t think of one.” Egerter described the work of her SIG office as “investigations of Agency
employees where there was an indication of espionage.”Q. “I hope you understand my questions are directed toward trying to find out what the purpose of the CI/SIG Office was and under what circumstances was the opening up of the 201 file [on Oswald]. I am given the impression that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited, primarily to investigate Agency employees who for one reason or another might be under suspicion of getting espionage against the United States. Is that an accurate statement of the purpose of CI/SIG?” Egerter: “Well, it is employees and also penetration, which is the same thing, of the Agency.” from Arjan222. A whole lot of CIA 201 or 'p' files311. Documents missing from Oswald's 201 file++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It was a cryptonymJames and Elsie Wilcott were a husband and wife team that worked for the CIA. Both were assigned to the Tokyo CIA Station from 1960 to 1964. Jim worked in finance, as a pay clerk, and Elsie as a secretary. When JFK was assassinated, the base went on high security alert. During those immediate hours, Wilcott heard stories of the CIAs involvement. “At first I thought ‘These guys are nuts,’” he said, “but then a man I knew and had worked with before, showed up to take a disbursement and told me Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA employee. I didn’t believe him until he told me the cryptonym under which Oswald had drawn funds when he returned from Russia to the U.S.” “It was a cryptonym, that I was familiar with. It must have been at least two or three times that I had remembered it, and it did ring a bell.” 1978 Interview | San Francisco Chronicle“It was common knowledge in the Tokyo CIA station that Oswald worked for the agency.” “That’s true,” Elsie Wilcott said. “Right after the President was killed, people in the Tokyo station were talking openly about Oswald having gone to Russia for the CIA. Everyone was wondering how the agency was going to be able to keep the lid on Oswald. But I guess they did,” she said. Jim Wilcott wrote: “[Oswald] had been trained [by the CIA] at Atsugi Naval Air Station, a plush super secret cover base for Tokyo Station special operations... “Oswald was recruited from the military for the express purpose of becoming a double agent assignment to the USSR ... More than once, I was told something like ‘ so-and-so was working on the Oswald project back in the late ’50s.’ Source: Jim Douglass, JFK and The Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
Orbis Books, (New York: Simon and Schuster 2010), pp. 144-148, 421-422.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Apr 28, 2020 10:11:37 GMT -5
All in a Day's Work James Wilcott | HSCA TestimonyFORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: Mr. GOLDSMITH - Drawing your attention to the period immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, at that time, did you come across any information concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And will you tell the Committee what that relationship was? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent of the agency. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What do you mean by the term "agent"? Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How did this information concerning Oswald first come to your attention? Mr. WILCOTT - The first time I heard about Oswald being connected in any way with CIA was the day after the Kennedy assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I was on day duty for the station. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Then, as time went on, I began to hear more things in that line. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I think we had better go over that one more time. When, exactly, was the very first time that you heard or came across information that Oswald was an agent? Mr. WILCOTT - I heard references to it the day after the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - I can't remember the exact persons. There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people made this reference to Oswald being an agent of the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - At least -- there was at least six or seven people, specifically, who said that they either knew or believed Oswald to be an agent of the CIA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Was Jerry Fox one of the people that made. this allegation? Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who is Jerry Fox? Mr. WILCOTT - Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch the Soviet Russia Branch, XXXXXXXXXX Station, who purchased information from the Soviets. There was never a confirmation from any other agent.
Dulles explained why in a WC Executive Session, January 1964.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Executive Session | Jan. 27, 1964The Chairman. Wouldn't tell it under oath? Mr. Dulles. I wouldn't think he would tell it under oath, no. The Chairman. Why? Mr. Dulles. He ought not tell it under oath. Maybe not tell it to his own government but he wouldn't tell it any other way. Mr. McCloy. Wouldn't tell it to his own chief? Mr. Dulles. He might or might not. If he was a bad one then he wouldn't.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 12, 2020 10:29:09 GMT -5
Watched  The Oswalds arrived in Dallas, from Russia, on June 14, 1962, and settled in with his brother Robert. The FBI had an interest in them since they left Europe, around June 10 th. The agent assigned was a 20 year veteran of the bureau, John Wythe Fain. He called Lee in to his office asap for an interview on, June 26 th. John Fain | WC TestimonyMr. STERN. Before you interview any subject, Mr. Fain, do you have a practice of giving him any cautionary statement, any warning? Mr. FAIN. It was always my policy, and I am sure I did in this case, to tell them this substantially, that, "You don't have to furnish us any information. Any information you furnish can be used against you in court, and you have a right to consult with an attorney before giving us any information or statements." Mr. STERN. Can you actually recall that you said this to Oswald? Mr. FAIN. I don't recall specifically, but I know it was my religious practice to do it because we are always instructed to do that. [Religious practice to do this; but doesn't recall specifically.]He described Lee as "...a little insolent in his answers... ...he got white around the lips and tensed up.." "He didn't want to go into that at all. " That is what he said he told the Soviet People, "I came because I wanted to," "Tense, yes, sir; and drawn up. I don't know whether he was just scared or what his situation was, but he was-- he exhibited an arrogant attitude arrogant, cold, and inclined to be just a little insolent." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Second MeetingHe met Oswald again in August, this time, at the house. And after meeting with Lee in the car for about an hour, decided to close the file. Member John McCloy had a bit of back and forth with him on this. Mr. McCLOY. You felt he constituted no security risk to the United States? Mr. FAIN. Well, we couldn't prove that he was a member of the Communist Party in Fort Worth; had no report that he was a member of the party. ----------------------------------------------------------- Mr. FAIN. But he went to Russia. Of course, we couldn't get him to tell us why he went. We tried on two occasions. He said it was personal with him He wanted to go over there the first time, and in that first interview he said, "I don't care to relive the past." ----------------------------------------------------------- Mr. FAIN. Well, we like to let our reports stand for themselves, in other words on the situation, the answers given. In answer to your question, I would have been rather satisfied if he would have told me why he went over there and if he weren't so evasive. Mr. McCLOY. You got an impression he was evasive and he was not telling you the truth? Mr. FAIN. Well, he was inclined to be haughty and arrogant, and even though he was insolent, and that could have been, of course, a part of his personality makeup, that type of individual. ------------------------------------------------------ Mr. FAIN. Well, I closed it because my investigation was completed. The assignment was to interview him and the case at the end of the interview with the information we obtained the case was closed. The man had found a job, he was working, he was living in this duplex with his wife, and he was not a member of the Communist Party. Of course, it was true he had been to Russia. He denied any contacts with a Soviet intelligence agent. He denied that he had any contacts. We considered all the facts and circumstances and closed the case, and that is what I did. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ End NotesWhen he retired in Oct 1962, Fain passed his files onto other agents. FBI agent, James Hosty, received the Oswald file from Fain with instructions only to follow up on the wife, Marina. Questions that come to mind from this, start with not remembering if he gave the warning statement to Lee. If he so religiously asked, he would know he did it. Would he ask such a question if this was an agency debriefing? Or became a conflict of agencies. Fain had no reason to be anymore satisfied at the second interview than he was at the first. The same questions were not answered. Yet, if it was a CIA undertaking, why would Lee tell the FBI anyway? Still, it draws to the same conclusions in Fain's mind, he had no reason to suspect Lee Oswald as any type of security risk. And in Oct '62, on the surface, he would not be, but suddenly with Hosty, word that Lee had received a copy of "The Worker". And the file is reopened. It sounds made up.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 12, 2020 10:29:45 GMT -5
Serves You Only to Say Both Marina and Robert corroborated a story of FBI men visiting the Oswalds, then talking to Lee in the car for about 2 hours and this was Aug 1962. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marina OswaldMr. RANKIN. Before you went to New Orleans, had you seen anyone from the FBI? Mrs. OSWALD. The FBI visited us in Fort Worth when we lived on Mercedes Street. Mr. RANKIN. Was that in August 1962? Mrs. OSWALD. Probably. Mr. RANKIN. Do you know the names of the FBI agents that visited you then? Mrs. OSWALD. No, I don't remember that Lee had just returned from work and we were getting ready to have dinner when a car drove up and a man introduced himself and asked Lee to step out and talk to him. There was another man in the car. They talked for about 2 hours and I was very angry, because everything had gotten cold. This meant more work for me. I asked who these were, and he was very upset over the fact that the FBI was interested in him. Mr. RANKIN. Did that interview take place in the car? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Robert OswaldMr. OSWALD. To the best of my remembrance of that occasion, sir, it was in the presence of my brother, myself, and his wife, Marina N. Oswald. Mr. JENNER. In their home, or your home? Mr. OSWALD. In their home, on Mercedes Street either the afternoon or the following day of the interview. And he just simply stated to me, sir, that the FBI had been by and had held an interview with him in their car in the front of their residence on Mercedes Street. Mr. JENNER. Did he tell you anything about the thrust of the interview, anything that had been said, what the inquiries were of him? Mr. OSWALD. No, sir; I do not recall any. Mr. JENNER. Your recollection now serves you only to say that he did report to you that FBI agents had interviewed him in their automobile, in front of or near their apartment on Mercedes Street--2703 Mercedes Street--is that correct? Mr. OSWALD. I do not recall the number of the house, sir. I do recall it was at the Mercedes Street address, and I have exhausted my recollection of that particular occasion. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall what you said or what others said--that is, others in addition to your brother-- on that particular occasion, when he recited the event? Mr. OSWALD. No, Sir; I do not recall any further comment about that particular event at that time. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Who talks like this?"Your recollection now serves you only to say..." "... I have exhausted my recollection..."Robert had his own attorney to protect him thru these proceedings. He always seemed very cautious in his public display of suspicions. I think he had some military intelligence experience, and of course would never confirm that. The Commission certainly wouldn't ask. His demeanor was much different from his mother, and therefore his words carried further with the members. It was not a fight. But it is very odd that he did not know the thrust of the FBI interviews, or remember any concerns he had for his younger brother.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 12, 2020 10:30:15 GMT -5
On Your Marx Teofit Meller, and his wife Anna, were Russian friends of the Oswalds in Dallas. During a visit by the Mellers in the summer of '62, Anna noticed a book by Karl Marx in Oswald's home. This concerned her husband enough to call the FBI. Meller was told, "Oswald was alright". It was detailed in a memo, Feb. 27, 1964, from the Intelligence Division at DPD, Jack Revill. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: Criminal Intelligence | Teofit Meller"Mrs. Meller also said that she saw the book, "Capitol" which
was written by Karl Marx, during one of these visits at Oswald's house
and became very worried about it. Subject said he checked with the FBI,
and they told him that Oswald was alright."The Commission was still struggling with the rumor of Lee being an agent, and this added more smoke to the fire. By mid March the members decided to call only Anna, even though it was her husband that initiated the concern. It is an example of the reactionary procedures of the staff, as opposed to a more actual investigatory approach. Mr. Meller initiated the concerned calls to law enforcement, and it is only his impression that matters. Lt Revill, was the source of the above memo, he was the intelligence div of the Dallas Police Dept. It would've been a request from the FBI or WC to his superiors for any information he might've had re: Lee's intelligence connections. Liebeler was well aware of this report, he indirectly referred to it more than once, then so obviously backs off. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Anna Meller | WC Testimony"...on the third time probably, I noticed in the living room on what you will call that table that the lamp was sitting near the divan. I notice several books; it was "Kapital" book Karl Marx and literature about Communism. It caught my eye and I was real upset." Mr. LIEBELER - Did you say anything to Oswald? Mrs. MELLER - I said to Marina "What's this book doing here", something like that. I mentioned something and she said Lee takes all those books from the library and reading them. I did not say much after but I was real upset. [Liebeler makes no mention of the police report, and changes the subject]Mr. LIEBELER - Was that the last time that you saw him? -------------------------------------------------------- then laterMr. LIEBELER - Do you remember being interviewed by the FBI? Mrs. MELLER - Yes, sir; three times. Mr. LIEBELER - Three times? Mrs. MELLER - Yes, sir - oh, I mean from FBI one time; Secret Service another time, and third time it was from police. I cannot recall name but it was three times together. Mr. LIEBELER - As far as you can remember the FBI only interviewed you once? Mrs. MELLER - Yes; once FBI, once Secret Service, and once Dallas group. Mr. LIEBELER - Was it the Dallas police force? Mrs. MELLER - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - Dallas police officers? Mrs. MELLER - Yes, yes. [He will not ask the further questions and once again, changes the subject]Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever form an opinion as to who was responsible for these marital difficulties the Oswalds were having? Did you think it was mostly Lee Harvey's fault or did you think it was partly her fault, or what? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Isn't it strange? A book owned by the host, can prompt a call to the FBI? Or that a book can even cause such worry? Liebeler never did ask about her husband. When did she tell him? Was he even there? The intention becomes clear not to include Teofit. Although he had the initial concerns, he made the actual call, he had some understanding of what the response, " Oswald was alright" meant. All of this must have been discussed in a pre-interview, something almost never officially documented. He was in the room before the Warren Commission and was never asked on record. He was there. When invited in, the first words from Liebeler's mouth, Mr. LIEBELER - Come in, Mr. and Mrs. Meller, and sit down.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 15, 2020 10:24:31 GMT -5
A Hosty Visit FBI Agent, James Hosty said he had not met Lee Oswald before 11/22. He said he made several attempts since April of '63, but failed to connect. Some conflicting evidence to this statement includes, Hosty's name, work office address and license plate, were all in Lee's address book. Hosty EntryNov 1, 1963
FBI agent [RM121]
James P. Hosty
MV8605
1114 Commerce St
DallasHe was assigned the file from a retired agent, as, "closed on Lee" and in March reopened the case on a tip that Oswald had received a communist newspaper. Though nothing suspicious about a 40" rifle mailed to a PO Box. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At the Paine HouseHosty visited the Paines, looking for Lee on, Nov 01, 1963 and again on Nov. 05 th. But from April to November 22, Hosty had no contact with Lee, never met the guy. Somewhat understandable because from April to Sept, Lee was in New Orleans, But there he was seen with FBI Agent, Warren De Brueys. The Commission had some pages from Lee's address book, [the FBI held the rest] and needed to explain this very strange entry. The report assumes without evidence that the information was written after Nov 1 st, and was told to Lee by Marina. CE15 is a letter from Lee to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, Dated, Nov. 09, 1963, found by Ruth Paine. It refers specifically to the FBI meeting Nov.1 st and mentions "the tactics of the notorious FBI". Paine, Marina and Hosty, swore to the Commission he was not there. Problem is, the three of them don't corroborate a story. Hosty parked down the street, and Marina had no way to see the number to write it down, nor does Paine remember Marina doing so. The letter to the embassy implies that Lee knew and had spoken to FBI agent Hosty, He also said it directly during interrogations.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 15, 2020 10:25:12 GMT -5
On the Fritz  Lee Oswald2:25 - 4:04 P.M. Interrogation of Oswald, Office of Capt Will FritzOswald recognized FBI agent James Hosty and said, "You have been at my home two or three times talking to my wife. I don't appreciate your coming out there when I was not there. 4:45 - 6:30 P.M. Second Interrogation of Oswald, Captain Fritz's Office "Yes, I had written the Russian Embassy. . . . Mr. Hosty, you have been accosting my wife. You mistreated her on two different occasions when you talked with her. . . . I know you. Well, he threatened her. He practically told her she would have to go back to Russia." --------------------------------------------------- Lee said it, "I know you.", although didn't date the 2 or 3 times he may not have been there. Suddenly Fritz got an urgent call from Gordon Shanklin, the Regional Director FBI, Dallas Office. He said it twice by insisting that Hosty be assigned because "...he knows these people"Shanklin was Hosty's immediate superior and would have gotten updates on activity up to this point. Remember, The Belmont File included, informant data from the weeks preceding the assassination. "the identity of some of our informants in subversive movements.
It contains information as to some of the investigative techniques whereby
we were able to receive some of the information which has been made available to the Commission." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Oswald Expert Mr. FRITZ. At that time, when I first brought him in there there would be Sims and Boyd and probably one or two officers from the office, I am not sure, just who else might have been there. I know those two, I am sure, I believe those two were there. Just about the time I started talking to him, I had just started to question him, I got a phone call from Mr. Shanklin, Gordon Shanklin, agent in charge of the FBI calling for Mr. Bookhout, and I asked Mr. Bookhout to go to pick up the extension. Mr. BALL. Was Mr. Bookhout there? Mr. FRITZ. He had just come into the lieutenant's office and Mr. Shanklin asked that Mr. Hosty be in on that questioning, he said he wanted him in there because of Mr. Hosty knowing these people and he had been talking to them and he wanted him in there right then. ----------------------------------------------------- Mr. BALL. You mentioned that Hosty, the first day he was there, you said that he said he knows these people. Did he tell you that he knew Oswald?Mr. FRITZ. Well, I Will tell you, he wasn't talking to me really. Mr. BALL. What did he say to Oswald? Mr. FRITZ. That was the agent--what did Hosty say to Oswald? Mr. BALL. Yes. Mr. FRITZ. Or what did---- Mr. BALL. Did Hosty say? Mr. FRITZ. I thought you meant what about Shanklin said to Hosty. Mr. BALL. Did Hosty say to you that he knew Oswald?Mr. FRITZ. I heard Mr. Shanklin tell Mr. Hosty on the telephone. I had Mr. Bookhout pick up the telephone and I had an extension. Mr. BALL. What did he hear? Mr. FRITZ. He said is Hosty in that investigation, Bookhout said no. He said, "I want him in that investigation right now because he knows those people he has been talking to," and he said some other things that I don't want to repeat, about what to do if he didn't do it right quick. So I didn't tell them that I even knew what Mr. Shanklin said. I walked out there and called them in. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Know Him?Fritz was asked twice, directly. He would not answer the question. To the FBIs, Gordon Shanklin, Hosty was the Oswald expert, "He knows these people"Fritz didn't deny it, and no one said, Lee recognized Hosty by name only. Evidence in the interrogation rooms, from FBIs Dallas office, and from Lee's own words indicate, Lee Oswald, knew and had spoken directly to, James Hosty before 11/22/63. The question that still sat in their lap, Did Lee have some US intelligence connection? The Warren Commission and the FBI, went to some lengths to keep out any previous contact.
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 22, 2020 10:14:55 GMT -5
Oswald's Last Letter CE 15 is a letter allegedly written by Lee Oswald to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, dated Nov. 09, 1963. Alleged, because the date on the postmark of the envelope, appears to be Nov 02 nd. Mrs. Paine was sure she saw the letter Nov. 09 th. Mrs. PAINE"Because I remember the weekend that this note or rough draft remained on my secretary desk. He spent the weekend on it. And the weekend was close and its residence on that desk was stopped also on the evening of Sunday, the 10 th, when I moved everything in the living room around; the whole arrangement of the furniture was changed, so that I am very clear in my mind as to what weekend this was" She hid the document, then re-typed it, but she wouldn't say when she gave it to the FBI.Mr. JENNER - But you did have the instinct to report this to the FBI? Mrs. PAINE - Yes. Mrs. PAINE - And I made a copy of the document which should be among your papers, because they have that too. And after having made it, while the shower was running, I am not used to subterfuge in any way, but then I put it back where it had been and it lay the rest of Sunday on my desk top, and of course I observed this too. Mr. JENNER - That is that Lee didn't put it away, just left it out in the room? Mrs. PAINE - That he didn't put it away or didn't seem to care or notice or didn't recall that he had a rough draft lying around. I observed it was untrue that the FBI was no longer interested in him. I observed it was untrue that the FBI came-- She was deeply offended and upset that Lee would use her typewriter to tell lies.
Statements he made specifically that were not true. She claimed three.
She was clear to repeat them as lies, obliging Hosty and the FBI on the record.
Lee claimed he was at the Hosty meeting on Nov 1st
FBI no longer had an interest in him
Lee used an alias name in Mexico City
She was always very pointed in her words as documents and other key evidence suddenly appear from her house.
Often times would say, she subsequently learned, yet never asked in real time.
Robert, Marguerite, and Marina Oswald, all mentioned suspicions of her throughout this entire process+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My Real NameLee wrote about not being able to stay in Mexico, because he had to use an alias. "I was unable to remain in Mexico indelibly because of my Mexican
visa restrictions which was for 15 days only. I could not take a chance
on requesting a new visa unless I used my real name, so I returned to the
United States."All records indicate someone at the Soviet and Cuban Embassies at Mexico City was looking for a visa to Cuba. It would be foolish to lie to the Soviet authorities, knowing it would be monitored by KGB, just as we were. Whoever that person was, he used the name Lee Harvey Oswald. So then, which way does it flip? Call from Hoover to Lyndon Johnson | Nov. 23, 1963LBJ: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September? Hoover: "No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."
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Post by Michael Capasse on May 22, 2020 10:15:24 GMT -5
Since been Replaced Another curious paragraph, refers to the replacement of a specific Cuban Consulate. Question is obvious, how could Lee possibly know this in the short time he was in Mexico City. "Of course the Soviet embassy was not at fault, they were, as I say un-
prepared, the Cuban consulate was guilty of a gross breach of regulations,
I am glad he has since been replaced."The Commission was aware from the CIA, the above Cuban official was, Senor Eusebio Azque, of the Cuban Embassy Azque was the consulate there, and Sylvia Duran was his secretary. Each gave different descriptions of Lee Oswald. HSCA never asked Azque if Oswald knew he was leaving prior to his (Lee's) return to the US. Sylvia Duran never made any mention in her statements or testimony. CIA made no attempts to ask. The FBI's original investigation of this point, found it "highly unlikely", Oswald would have this foreknowledge. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FBI InvestigationA separate FBI investigation found that the KGB and the CIA learned of Azque's replacement about the same time. Further inquiries by the FBI found Lee would have learned this one of 3 ways, 1. An informant in the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City who contacted Oswald after he returned to the U.S.
2. The Central Intelligence Agency. or
3. The Soviet Secret Police (K.G.B.) in Mexico City.This finding has raised the possibility Oswald learned this thru an intelligence contact after returning to Dallas. The C.I.A. report to the Commission gave no explanation except, it was known in Sept.'63. "We surmise that the references in Oswald's 9 November letter to a man who had since been replaced must refer to Cuban
Eusebio Azque, who left Mexico for Cuba on a permanent transfer on 18 November, 1963, four days before the assassination.
Azque had been in Mexico for 18 years and it was known as early as September 1963 that Azque was to be replaced. His
replacement did arrive in September. Azque was scheduled to leave in October but did not leave until 18 November."The arrival of the letter prompted a cable from the Soviet Ambassador to Moscow. In it, he was immediately clear and called it a "provocation" and a "forgery". He put the source of the letter "as concocted by those...involved in the president's assassination". +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Soviet Ambassador, Anatoly Dobrynin | Cable to Moscow, November 26, 1963from JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
By James W. Douglass "Please note Oswald's letter of November 9 the text of which was transmitted to
Moscow over the line of nearby neighbors [security reasons]. This letter was clearly a provocation:
It gives the impression we had close ties with Oswald and were using him for some purposes of our own.
It was totally unlike any other letters the embassy had previously received from Oswald.
Nor had he ever visited our embassy himself. Suspicion that the letter is a forgery is heightened by
the fact that it was typed whereas the other letters the embassy had received from Oswald before were handwritten.
One gets the definite impression that the letter was concocted by those, who judging from everything,
are involved in the presidents assassination. It is possible Oswald himself wrote the letter as it was
dictated to him, in return for some promises, and then as we know was, simply bumped off after the usefulness had ended.
The competent US authorities are undoubtedly aware of this letter, the embassies correspondence is
under constant surveillance however, they are not making use of it the time being, nor are they
asking the embassy for any information about Oswald himself, perhaps they are waiting for another moment." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CE 15 | Letter to the Soviet Embassy in Washington The Russians suspected the letter was a ruse based on previous writings, and obvious drop clues. There was questionable information Lee couldn't have known at the time and a pointed reference to a KGB saboteur. They knew that was fake. In the US, the letter was intercepted by the FBI before arriving in Washington. Oddly, the postmark on the envelope appears to be a week before the letter was written. When Lee was visited by the FBI remains unclear, although he wrote, and he'd spoken, that he already knew Agent Hosty. And then somehow, after returning to Dallas, Lee was told of the dismissal of the Cuban Consulate, Eusebio Azque, 9 days before he left. The entire affair stinks of fraud, the baiting of false information connected to intelligence, and possibly related to the assassination.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Jun 26, 2020 10:16:35 GMT -5
Stop Check | Hosty and Lee The Warren Commission concluded that Lee Oswald did not know FBI James Hosty and had not spoken to him prior to Nov. 22. Hosty had been trying to connect with Lee since April '63. The Oswalds went to New Orleans that month and didn't return to Dallas until Sept. He just kept missing him. Yet, in a November letter to the Soviet embassy in DC, Lee wrote about a recent encounter with the FBI agent:
"However. the F.B.I. has visited us here in Dallas, Texas,
On November 1st. Agent James P. Hosty warned me that if I engaged in F.P.C,C.
activities in Texas the F.B.I. will again lake an "interest" in me.
This agent also "suggested" to Marina Nichdayeva that she could
remain in the United States under F.B.I. "protection. " that is, she could
defect from the Soviet Union, of course. I and my wife strongly protested
these tactics by the notorious F.B.I. "The WCR refers to this as a one time meeting on November 1 st with Marina and Mrs. Paine only. Hosty parked down the street, that raises doubts about how the plate number ended up in Lee's address book.In addition to the license marker, was Hosty's office and building address. While Lee was in custody, Capt. Fritz got a call from Gordon Shanklin, FBI Dallas, Shanklin told him, he wants Agent Hosty in there, because "he knows these people", and "he's been talking to these people."When Ball asked Fritz 2x did Oswald know Hosty, he would not answer, and diverted back to Shanklin. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Capt Will Fritz | WC TestimonyMr. BALL. You mentioned that Hosty, the first day he was there, you said that he said he knows these people. Did he tell you that he knew Oswald?Mr. FRITZ. Well, I will tell you, he wasn't talking to me really. Mr. BALL. What did he say to Oswald? Mr. FRITZ. That was the agent--what did Hosty say to Oswald? Mr. BALL. Yes. Mr. FRITZ. Or what did---- Mr. BALL. Did Hosty say? Mr. FRITZ. I thought you meant what about Shanklin said to Hosty. Mr. BALL. Did Hosty say to you that he knew Oswald?Mr. FRITZ. I heard Mr. Shanklin tell Mr. Hosty on the telephone. I had Mr. Bookhout pick up the telephone and I had an extension. Mr. BALL. What did he hear? Mr. FRITZ. He said is Hosty in that investigation, Bookhout said no. He said, "I want him in that investigation right now because he knows those people he has been talking to," and he said some other things that I don't want to repeat, about what to do if he didn't do it right quick. So I didn't tell them that I even knew what Mr. Shanklin said. I walked out there and called them in. --------------------------------------------------------- from "Last Words of Lee Harvey Oswald." 4:45 - 6:30 P.M. Second Interrogation of Oswald, ...once Hosty was brought into Captain Fritz's Office". . . I know you. Well, he threatened her. He practically told her she would have to go back to Russia." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marguerite Oswald One more circumstance of evidence that the two actually knew each other comes from the mother. In an interview with Secret Service, on Nov. 25th '63, Marguerite said Marina told her there were 3 visits. IMO there was a meeting on Nov. 1st and Lee was there, there were other meetings before or after, where he wasn't. Both Marina and Mrs. Paine speak in half truth when they say, there was only one meeting and Lee was not there. Still more evidence proves otherwise. In another Secret Service interview Marina mentioned a meeting in late Oct. around the 25 thThese early interviews with Marina are very important, and happened before she was threatened with deportation. What she says to Marguerite before the 28th is meaningful to the honesty of their friendship. Once she agreed to an arrangement of gifts and publicity, Marguerite was out, and Marina was scripted otherwise. Up until that point Marina had agreed to live with Marguerite with a little money Mama had gotten from insurance. Marguerite's insistence of Lee being innocent and the raising of doubt put a wedge between them from the authorities. Marina remained in protective custody from the day after it happened, to the day she was on the stand in Feb 1964. When she did testify, she said there was only one meeting, and Lee was not there, and made no mention of Marguerite. Meanwhile, Nov 25 th, Marguerite had relayed to SS, Marina told her Agent Hosty came out to Irving on 3 occasions. ------------------------------------------------------- CE 270 | Secret Service 11/25/63Q. Earlier, we were talking to Marina about some federal agency contacting Lee and asking him a lot of things. Can you tell me what federal agency this was that kept contacting Lee, like here recently? A. I asked Marina. She did not know the man's name. It sounded like Thomas or Howard but he was a short man full face, black hair, he came three times,not too long ago he came- about a week or so ago, and Marina told me that FBI.... Why Marina tells me these things; I was reading newspaper accounts and I said that Lee said, as stated in the paper, that FBI agents had come to the house recently and the paper stated that this was checked and checked out thoroughly in Washington and that no FBI agent had come to where they were living in Irving. Marina says, "Ma Ma, this is not true." FBI agents came to Irving and I said, Do you know his name?" No, Howard, Thomas, I don't know. I asked Marina, what did he look like? Stout man, fat face, black hair, she said Lee tell truth. FBI came to house Mrs. Paine has name of agent."
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