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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 12, 2020 10:16:23 GMT -5
Marguerite Oswald | Feb. 11, 1964 Mr. RANKIN. The Commission would like to know what you base your assumption that your son was an agent on. Could you help us? Mrs. OSWALD. Would you like me to go into this story --I will start with my son's life from the very beginning. Mr. RANKIN. Can't we get down to---- Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, we cannot. I am sorry. This is my life. I cannot survive in this world unless I know I have my American way of life and can start from the very beginning. I have to work into this. I cannot answer these questions like in a court, yes or no. And I will not answer yes or no. I want to tell you the story. And that is the only way you can get a true picture. I am the accused mother of this man, and I have family and grandchildren, and Marina, my daughter-in-law. And I am going to do everything I can to try and prove he is innocent. Mr. RANKIN. Well, now, Mrs. Oswald, you are not claiming before this Commission that there was anything back at the beginning, at the early childhood of your son, in which you thought he was an agent? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir--at age 16. Mr. RANKIN. Well, why don't you start with age 16, then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marguerite Oswald was on the stand for three days in early Feb 1964. She was the second witness called after Marina. From the time of Lee's defection (1959), until her death, (1981) she believed her son was an agent. Here, she was allowed to ramble, without an outline of investigation, or direction to bring to point. The members took what they needed to complete their task. In studying the dialogs of the commission, it is easy to see they took a strong lead when they knew what they wanted. And often times, led the witness exactly where that was. In contrast, there were times, they knew the witness could say things damaging to the conclusion. Or worse, the witness could bring evidence damning to the agencies however involved. That must be wiped out. These last 4 pages prove the process was very careful not to ask questions that scope in any further investigation. It was a charade, really. But there was no other witness leading the direction of questions like Marguerite. And, I don't think there was any question they asked, that they didn't already know the answer to. although there were a few surprise statements along the way. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I Led 3 Lives"Mr. RANKIN. He was being prepared to become an agent, and inspired by this recruiting officer? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir. Mr. RANKIN. By what you have told us about his reading the communist literature and this one pamphlet, and also the manual of the Marine Corps? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir. And then living to when he is age 17 to join the Marines, which I knew, and which he did at age 17 on his birthday. Mr. RANKIN. Now, what else do you base your idea that he was ever became an agent or was going to become an agent on? Mrs. OSWALD. Many, many things. We always watched--it is "I Led 3 Lives" --the program--Philbrick. We always watched that. And when Lee returned from the service and the Marines, the three days--that program was on, and he turned it off. He said, "Mother, don't watch that, that is a lot of propaganda." It has been stated publicly that the FBI did not know--didn't have Lee on the subversive list-- I am probably not saying this right, gentlemen--but the right wing in Dallas. I don't know anything politically. The FBI and Secret Service had a list of names in Dallas of people that had to be watched, and Lee Harvey Oswald was not on that list. That would lead to believe there was some reason he was not on the list. Mr. RANKIN. Who did you get that from? Mrs. OSWALD. From the newspapers and all over. And there has been a lot of comment about this all through. Now, I don't say it is correct. But what I have explained to you before my way of thinking has to go with this, because I know the boy and the whole life, and you do not, sir. Mr. RANKIN. Well, I want to try to find out all you know about it.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 12, 2020 10:16:47 GMT -5
WANTED Notice Card Marguerite Oswald: "The FBI and Secret Service had a list of names in
Dallas of people that had to be watched, and Lee Harvey Oswald was not on that list.
That would lead to believe there was some reason he was not on the list." Mr. RANKIN. Well, I want to try to find out all you know about it +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ She's right.On Oct. 09, 1963, FBI agent Marvin Ghessling, took Lee Harvey Oswald off that list.This was just days before Lee began work at TSBD, and about 2 weeks after the Dallas visit was finalized. The NY Times reported, Oswald was not under surveillance at the the time of the assassination. FBI records indicate otherwise. The Dallas division of the FBI was already trying to track Oswald in October 1963, according to memos by the New Orleans division. It is unbelievable, they didn't know by 11/22, that he was in Dallas. The end of Oct '63 and no word to the PRS. "The Protective Research Service (PRS) was meant to function both as repository of information about threats to the security of Secret Service protectees and as a provider of such information to agents in all types of assignments." (HSCA)HSCA(Roy) Kellerman also testified to the HSCA about an inquiry in Dallas which was conducted prior to November 22, in order to locate anti-JFK subjects. When asked specifically about right-wing individuals, scurrilous literature, and extremist groups known to be in Dallas, he claimed virtually total ignorance. (209) He insisted that no one told him anything about an investigation of threat information submitted to the Secret Service in Dallas on November 21 and 22 by the FBI. (210) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In New Orleans, witnesses said Oswald was close to FBI agent, Warren deBrueysThe two men attended anti Castro meetings together. The FBI bailed Lee out on the Bringuier scuffle. TheyI were aware of a woman driving to New Orleans (Paine - helped pack the car) and Marina leaving. No Lee. Next, reports of Lee Oswald calling and showing up at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. 24/7 surveillance in Mexico City, no photo of him. Telephone calls, cannot confirm his voice. November 1963, there are threats to the president in Dallas, "WANTED FOR TREASON" posters. A teletype out of New Orleans warned JFK could be assassinated in Texas. All the FBI informants in Dallas that had information around Lee, designated as T-1 T-2 and so on.... Where is that FBI handle on Oswald? They had him in New Orleans. Can they really not find this guy?
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 14, 2020 10:17:52 GMT -5
По дороге в СССР Marguerite went on to explain, she had suspected Lee was an agent from the time he defected. Before she told that, she was asking for a letter from New Orleans. When she couldn't find it, she went on with the defection story. She interprets words in the letter as code for a mother to know. Consider a 19 yr old with the training and exposure he has had. In particular, having learned Russian, while in the service. Words like "this is what I must do", or, "I would have had to sooner or later, and I think it is best to go now.", coupled with an earlier statement after he had come home... "Not even Marina knows why I have returned to the United States."Marguerite had reasonable suspicion, these were military orders. A few days later, Lee's defection hit the headlines and Marguerite released the letter. For the next few years, she fought with the State Dept. to get answers. "Further evidence that Oswald worked as a spy in the Soviet Union comes from CBS correspondent Daniel Schorr, who in June, 1975, interviewed a former CIA official who saw memos in 1962 describing an American "re-defec-tor." According to the CIA official, the re-defector was described as an ex-Marine who had defected to Russia, worked in a radio factory in Minsk and then re-defected to the United States in 1962. This is an exact account of Oswald's defection story." from Top-Secret-Papers Reveal Oswald Was CIA Agent | Mae BrussellHerbert Blenner did an excellent analysis Comparison of Two Defectors, and concluded, Lee was probably part of a spy defection program. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WC Testimony | Feb. 11, 1964Representative FORD. When did you first think he was an agent? Mrs. OSWALD. When Lee defected. And I have always said a so-called defection, for this reason. Now, we come to another letter. I am going to have to take some time now, because we are not going in sequence. The letter Lee wrote to me from New Orleans is what I need. The next page is the letter he sent me,
"Dear Mother,
well, I have hooked passage on a ship to Europe.
I would have had to sooner or later, and I think it is best to go now."
Just remember above all else that my values are very different from Robert or us,
and it is difficult to tell you how I feel. Just remember this is what I must do.
I did not tell you about my plans because you could hardly be expected to understand.
I did not see Lillian while I was here. I will write you again as soon as I land.
--Lee."Mr. RANKIN. What do you think he meant by that? Mrs. OSWALD. That is what I want to tell you. All of this speculation, gentlemen. And that is why I say the Warren Commission--unless they hear my story and the witnesses involved, cannot arrive at a true conclusion. Now, what would you think about this? A few days later you get headlines, "Fort Worth Boy Has Defected to Russia." And I made the letter public. This letter says to his mother he is defecting to Russia--right? That is the way you would read the letter. It is easily read this way when you think a boy has defected to Russia. So you would read the letter that way. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sept. 1959Lee Oswald was out of the Marines. His training included Aircraft Control and Warning Operator Course, at Keesler Air Force Base, in Mississippi. John Emmett Donovanhis former commanding officerMarine Air Control Squadron 1, at Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, near Tokyo. "Oswald knew the disposition of most military squadrons... of all services to the West Coast, the number and type of aircraft, the ranges, and locations of radar control sites on the West Coast. "Oswald's position," Donovan added, "required a secret clearance. Marine Corps Air Station, El Toro in California,An officer there said that Oswald was a "very competent" crew chief and was "brighter than most people." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Helsinki On a DimeThere is no proof Lee was able to save the money to make this trip and stay.
Before Lee left Helsinki, he purchased 10 tourist vouchers at about $30 each. Oct. 16, 1959, upon arrival in Moscow, he met, Rimma Semenova Shirakova. Rimma was his tour guide. Oswald received a deluxe tour package, and stayed at the Hotel Berlin. His entrance visa was issued within 24 hours. source: Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia | Peter Vronsky
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 19, 2020 10:18:08 GMT -5
Could we get what picture this is? On Saturday, Nov. 23, Marina, Marguerite Oswald, and the children, were hiding from the press at the local Executive Inn. Lee was still alive, and being held without a lawyer at the Dallas Jail. According to Marguerite, the only one that knew where they where was Mrs. Paine. She must have tipped off the FBI. Bartwell Odum visited about 6:30p (She called him Hart Odum)Odum wanted to show Marina a picture. Marguerite wouldn't allow it. About an hour after Odum, Mrs. Paine called, and Marina gave Marguerite the cold shoulder. Marguerite insisted the two events were connected, and the picture meant some kind of threat. The picture above is what Odum said he showed Marguerte. A photograph of a mystery man in this case, from the Soviet Embassy at Mexico City, at a time Lee Oswald was supposed to be be there. The commission didn't have the photo on the 10th. Dulles interjected with the request. Then Marguerite told them, the man in the photo Odum showed her, was Jack Ruby. FBI Inspector James Malley was requested to transmit the picture to the staff the next day. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marguerite Oswald | Feb 10, 1964I said, "Mr. Odum, I stated yesterday you are not going to see Marina. We are awful tired." "Well, we just want to ask her one question." "Mr. Odum, I am not calling my daughter. As a matter of fact, she is taking a bath." She wasn't. He said, "Mrs. Oswald, I would like to ask you a question." I said, "Yes, sir." The door is ajar. This is my height. I wear bifocals, which enlarges things. And in his hand--his hand is bigger than mine--in the cup of his hand, like this, is a picture. And the two corners are torn off the picture. This is a very glossy black and white picture of a man's face and shoulder. Now, Mr. Odum wasn't too tall. I need somebody else. Mr. Odum's hand with the picture-- what I am trying to say--he is facing this way--showing me. So my eyes are looking straight at the picture. And I have nothing else to see but this hand and the picture, because the door is ajar. And there is nothing on the picture but a face and shoulders. There is no background or anything. So I can identify this picture amongst millions of pictures, I am so sure of it. It was a glossy black and white picture. So I said, "No, sir, believe me. I have never seen this picture in my life." With that, he went off. There was another man with him. About an hour later the telephone rang, and it was Mrs. Paine. She said, "Mrs. Oswald, Lee called and he was very upset because Marina was not with me, and he asked me to get a lawyer for him, a Mr. Abt. I would like to talk to Marina." So I put Marina on the telephone, and Marina said about two or three words. So when she got off the telephone, I said,--Now, Marina talks in Russian, gentlemen. I said, "Marina, Mrs. Paine told me that Lee called and you were not home at Mrs. Paine, and Lee tells Mrs. Paine to get a lawyer." Marina didn't answer. And I then sensed--well, now, why isn't she answering me? This is very peculiar. And there was no more said about that conversation. There was no reason to think the Odum visit and the Paine call were connected.
Marguerite was associating what little she had, while her mind wandered into wild assumptions.
Connecting the FBI, with the man she now knows as the notorious Jack Ruby,
and the killing of her son. Dulles requested the picture, it was ready for the 12th. Mr. DULLES. Could we get what picture this is? Is that the picture held in the hand? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir--the picture that is held in the hand, that the FBI agent, Mr. Hart Odum showed me. Mr. RANKIN. I understand you didn't recognize who the picture was at all. Mrs. OSWALD. No. I told Mr. Hart Odum I had never seen the man before, "Believe me, sir," and he left. So the picture was shown--was tried--had tried to be shown to my daughter-in-law, but they were not successful. So then they received--Marina receives a telephone call. Now, I am under the impression, since I know it was Mr. Jack Ruby's picture I saw--at the time I didn't. Mr. RANKIN. How do you know that? Mrs. OSWALD. Because I have seen his picture in the paper. Now I know it is Mr. Jack Ruby. I am under the impression that Marina was threatened---- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "And I was a little suspicious of Mrs. Paine. I was suspicious of Mrs. Paine from the time I entered her home."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 19, 2020 10:18:37 GMT -5
CE 3028
Feb 12, 1964
Hon. J. Lee Rankin
General Counsel
The President's Commission
200 Maryland Ave. NE
Washington DC
Dear Mr. Rankin,
Reference is made to my letter of February 7, 1964 advising you that an agent of this Bureau
displayed a photograph of an individual to Mrs. Marguerite Oswald on November 23, 1963.
Mr. Howard Willens called and asked if we could make arrangements to have a copy
of the photograph shown to Mrs. Oswald displayed to the commission.
This will confirm that on February 11, 1964 a copy of the photograph requested was delivered to the Commission.
Sincerely yours
J Edgar Hoover
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 19, 2020 10:19:03 GMT -5
Full Face and Just Shoulders On Feb 12 th, Marguerite was back on the stand to discuss the Odum picture. Rankin was ready with CE 237 provided by the FBI. When shown to her, she adamantly denied that to be the picture Odum had. She insisted the picture she was shown was "full face and just shoulders"The above photo is from the Fort Worth, Star Telegram, 11/25/63 It was released by the Justice Dept to the Associated Press. That is an FBI photo of Jack Ruby, full face and shoulders. The above photo was probably what Marguerite saw on the folded newspaper that Tuesday. Although the face was similar to the CIA image, the description she gave, "big face and shoulders" "face took the whole picture", does not adequately describe Odum's cut out. Her description sounded more like the FBI-Ruby picture above. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Marguerite Oswald | Feb. 12, 1964Mr. RANKIN. You said during your testimony that an agent showed you a picture at the Six Flags Inn. Do you remember that? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, and I am glad you brought that up, because I have notes on this, too. I have something important to say about that. Mr. RANKIN. I will ask the reporter to mark this. (The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 237 for identification.) Mrs. OSWALD. Before I see a picture, see if it was in a square, cupped in a hand, I believe it would be better for me for identification. That is the way I saw it. It was cupped in his hand. Mr. RANKIN. Mrs. Oswald, all I have is Exhibit 237. in the shape it is in. And I will hand it to you and ask you if you recall that as being the picture that was shown to you. Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir. This is not the picture shown me. The picture that was shown me was a full face and just shoulders. This is not the picture. This picture was about this size, very glossy black and white, with a big face and shoulders. I have background here, a lot of white. But this took the whole picture the face and shoulders. And this door was just ajar. And this man had this picture and the two corners were cut. Mr. RANKIN. About what size is the picture you are looking at? Mrs. OSWALD. That is about three by four--approximately three by four, cupped in this man's hand, and the two comers were cut. The two top corners. And a very glossy picture, black and white, with a big face and shoulders. This is not the picture shown me, sir. Now, at Six Flags Inn, about 3 days later, when I entered the room, on the table were a lot of newspapers. I walked into the room in the presence of my son, and all of the agents. As I stated before, Marina and I knew nothing of what went on. We did not know how Lee was shot or anything, because we did not sit down and watch television. Mr. RANKIN. What son are you talking about? Mrs. OSWALD. Robert. So this is approximately the Wednesday, the 25th--no--- Sunday was the 24th About the 26th--it was a few days after Lee was shot, a couple of days. So I walked into the room, and I picked this paper up and turned it over, and I exclaimed, "This is the picture of the man that the FBI agent showed me." And one of the agents said, "Mrs. Oswald, that is the man that shot your son." Believe me, gentlemen, I didn't even ask his name. And nothing more was said. Now, that is very unusual. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CE 237 "No, sir. This is not the picture shown me."
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 22, 2020 10:19:29 GMT -5
He's One of Yours The Win Scott LetterOn November 22, 1963, CIA Officer, Winston Scott, sent a letter to CIA Chief, Col J C King. Scott reminded his superior of a conversation he had requesting permission to release a photograph of the mystery man, a picture from the Soviet Embassy at Mexico City, at a time Lee Oswald was supposed to have been there. Winston Scott was the Mexico City, Station Chief, and ex-FBI. His request to the Chief of the Western Hemisphere, that day, is a clear indication these agencies already knew the identity. These photos were sent to the FBI in Dallas. That Legal Attache would've carried the information on these photos. And probably more than the information stamped on the back. Scott asked permission. And Dallas FBI would've insisted on identity and background. It was one of these images Bartwell Odem cropped and had shown Marguerite Oswald. FBI was asking a witness if she ever saw the suspect with someone...that was, CIA. 230 Mexico City CIA station's surveillance photo's of Lee Harvey Oswald"Also of relevance is why the CIA worked so hard behind the scenes to try to keep the Warren Commission from publishing a photo of this supposedly unidentified person, even after receiving assurances that the background would be cropped out (the suggestion was even made that perhaps the face could be altered)." (“A Little Incident in Mexico City”)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear J C
Reference is made to our conversation of November 22nd in which
I requested permission to give the Legal Attache copies of photographs of
a certain person who is known to you.
Attached are copies of each of the photographs we have with the
dates of the visits stamped on the back.
At 6 p.m. Mexico time on 22 November, The Ambassador decided
that this was important enough to have a member of the Legal Attache's
office take copies of these pictures to Dallas, Texas. The Naval Attache
is making a special flight from Mexico City for this purpose. The Legal
Attache's officer who is going to Dallas has promised to mail the material
to you for me.
Copies of the photographs are also being sent by pouch which will
arrive Mexico City on the night of 22 November 1963.
Best Wishes
Win
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 22, 2020 10:20:06 GMT -5
Odum Showed'em It was either Mystery Man at Mexico City, or Jack Ruby. Marguerite was adamant it was the Ruby picture she saw in his hand, and that same FBI picture, was what she saw again in the paper, Tuesday morning. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If Odum showed a picture of Mystery manSenior officals at the CIA knew who Mystery man was. FBI SA Odum made a special cut of the photo to show Marguerite. The report concluded these pictures were taken between July - Nov. 1963 Yet Winston Scott's memo described time stamps on the back of the images. Time stamps, when Lee should have been there. How could there be any doubt about time? These photos were hand pouched express by the consulate's Legal Attache, to the FBI. The FBI's receipt included important information, but more decisively, if not identified, demonstrate, a concerted effort from the agencies to conceal facts. Is this about an agent Oswald? Hoover: "No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there." (LBJ Library, transcript from the November 23 call from Hoover to Lyndon Johnson) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If Odum showed a picture of Jack RubyNews reporter Seth Kantor confirmed Jack Ruby was, " ...what the FBI called a, PCI, a potential criminal informer." Ruby visited New Orleans, in the summer of'63, under FBI surveillance, Lee Oswald was there. Regis Kennedy, of the New Orleans FBI, told the Garrison investigation, there was a watch on Ruby's visits to the Big Easy that summer. During Grand Jury testimony, in the Clay Shaw trial, Kennedy refused to answer further regarding this matter. Instead, he read and then referred to this statement: "The subpoena served on you to testify before the Grand Jury
in New Orleans Parish Criminal District Court May 16,1967 this
confirms that pursuant to departmental order 32464 dated October 8, 1964
in Federal Register Vol. 29, No. 199, page 14027, dated October 10, 1964,
you are directed to respectfully refuse to testify about or
disclose information or material acquired in the performance
of your official duties or because of your official status." See U.S. ex rel+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Regis Kennedy (FBI) | Shaw Trial, Grand Jury TestimonyMay 16, 1967Q. Are you familiar with Jack Ruby's visits to New Orleans in the summer of 1963? A. I reserve the privilege on Q. Do you know Jack Ruby visited when he came here in the summer of 1963? A. I have to reserve the exception. Q. Do you know who he met when he came here? A. I will reserve an exception on that. Q. Do you have some knowledge of what Jack Ruby did when he came to New Orleans? A. I have to reserve an exception on that. Q. Do you know who he met when he came here? A. I will reserve an exception on that. Q. Do you have some knowledge of what Jack Ruby did when he came to New Orleans? A. I have to reserve an exception on that. Q. Do I understand you correctly in saying that you do not know the purpose of Ruby's visits here in' the summer of 1963? A. Yes sir. Q. But you do not want to say who he visited? A. The only way I know of how Ruby came or what he did in New Orleans was the result of other information which comes within the exception and I cannot answer. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q. Do you know whether or not any Federal agents regularly attended the meetings of the Cuban Revolutionary Democratic Front in the summer of 1963? A. I make reference to my previous comment. Q. Is it not a fact that that agent was Warren DeBrueys? A. I would like to respectfully reserve . . . Warren DeBrueys, was the FBI agent seen close to Lee Oswald, in New Orleans that summer. Jack Ruby, FBI-PCI in town, visited someone that Regis refuses to name. It is disturbing to see the FBI, directly involved, and refusing to cooperate. If it was a Ruby picture - The FBI have some knowledge of an Oswald-Ruby connection.
If it was Mystery Man - The FBI have some knowledge of an Oswald intelligence connection.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 25, 2020 10:20:26 GMT -5
Speculation and Rumors Speculation.--Mrs. Marguerite Oswald was shown a photograph
of Jack Ruby by an FBI agent the night before Ruby killed her son.Commission finding.--On the night of November 23, 1963, Special Agent Bardwell D. Odum of the FBI showed Mrs. Marguerite Oswald a picture of a man to determine whether the man was known to her. Mrs. Oswald stated subsequently that the picture was of Jack Ruby. The Commission has examined a copy of the photograph and determined that it was not a picture of Jack Ruby. 128 (WCR, p. 667) See supra, pp. 364-365. A final suggestion of a connection between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald arises from the testimony of Oswald's mother, Marguerite Oswald. When appearing before the Commission, Mrs. Oswald related that on November 23, 1963, before Ruby shot Oswald, FBI Agent Bardwell D. Odum showed her a picture of a man she believed was Jack Ruby, and asked whether the man shown was familiar to her. Odum had first attempted to see Marina Oswald, but Marguerite refused to allow Marina to be disturbed at that time. 1194 In the course of Marguerite's testimony, the Commission asked the FBI for a copy of the photograph displayed by Odum to her. When Marguerite viewed the photograph provided the Commission, she stated that the picture was different from the one she saw in November, in part because the "top two corners" were cut differently and because the man depicted was not Jack Ruby. 1195The Commission has investigated this matter and determined that Special Agent Odum did show a picture to Marguerite Oswald for possible identification but that the picture was not of Jack Ruby. On November 22 the CIA had provided the FBI with a photograph of a man who, it was thought at the time, might have been associated with Oswald. To prevent the viewer from determining precisely where the picture had been taken, FBI Agent Odum had trimmed the background from the photograph by making a series of straight cuts which reduced the picture to an irregular hexagonal shape. 1196 The picture which was displayed by the Commission to Marguerite Oswald was a copy of the same picture shown her by Agent Odum; however, in supplying a duplicate photograph for Commission use the FBI had cropped the background by cutting along the contours of the body of the man shown, 1197 resulting in a photograph without any background, unlike the first photograph Marguerite viewed on November 23. Affidavits obtained from the CIA and from the two FBI agents who trimmed the photographs established that the one shown to Mrs. Oswald before the Commission, though trimmed differently from the one shown her on November 23, was a copy of the same picture. Neither picture was of Jack Ruby. 1198 The original photograph had been taken by the CIA outside of the United States sometime between July 1, 1963, and November 22, 1963, during all of which time Ruby was within the country. 1199 1194 1 H 152-154, 237-238 (Marguerite Oswald). 1195 Id. at 237-238; CE 3028, 237. 1196 11 H 468 (Bardwell D. Odum); 11 H 469 (Richard Helms); Odum DE 1. 1197 CE 237; Compare Odum DE 1; see 11 H 469 (Malley); 11 H 468(Odum) 11 H 469 (Helms). 1198 Compare CE 237; Odum DE 1; with CE 2422, 2425. 1199 11 H 470 (Helms); 5 H 208 (J. Ruby); see p. 373, infra. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Follow the FootnotesThe FBI had THE copy of Jack Ruby they could've supplied to the commission. It was the photo on the left, full face and shoulders, something Marguerite described. Instead the WC put into the record 2 unrelated Ruby pictures. Neither is full face CE 2422 | CE 2425Testimony from both Marguerite and Jack Ruby, are circular. Of course, Jack Ruby was not in Mexico City. The forewarning from Hoover, outlined in CE 3028 gave no confirmation of which picture Odum displayed. The Odum picture was cut differently and was not produced until July. Helms Affidavit and others are useless, explaining the pictures were taken sometime between July and Nov. 1963. It is a lie. These pictures had time stamps on the back. The other affidavits came 6 months too late in an effort to document actions that should have been clarified in February.
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 25, 2020 10:21:02 GMT -5
Affidavit Go 'round  Odum Affidavit | July 10, 1964Bartwell Odum was the FBI Special Agent that cropped the photo then attempted to show it to Marina, when that failed, he showed it to Marguerite. She did not recognize the man. All the men consistently call Mystery Man, this "unknown individual", but only Malley may actually not know. An FBI SA that suspected an accomplice or a Lee Oswald imposter, would know. Asking a question, suspecting an answer, is attempting to get a confirmation of fact. I desired to show this photograph to Marina Oswald in an attempt
to identify the individual portrayed in the photograph
and to determine if he was an associate of Lee Harvey Oswald.Malley Affidavit | July 14, 1964James Malley, was the FBI Inspector that created and transmitted the picture to the commission. He did it the day after Marguerite brought this up, had she not, it would have remained buried. Upon further review of FBI files, he noted an additional copy, cropped in a different shape by Bartwell Odum. He swore in his affidavit, the identity of this unknown individual, has not been established. It is quite possible at the FBI Inspector level of James Malley, he did not know who this man was. "To my knowledge, the identity of the unknown individual
depicted in the copy of the photograph which I transmitted to Mr. Willens
on February 11, 1964, has not been established."Helms Affidavit | August 7, 1964Richard Helms was Deputy Dir. of Plans for the CIA. He most certainly would have known, at least, who to ask. Did he ask Winston Scott? Or JC King? Those CIA top officials knew who this man was. Commissioner Allen Dulles was the former Director of the CIA. "I base this affidavit on my personal knowledge of
the affairs of the Central Intelligence Agency and on detailed inquiries of those officers
and employees within my supervision who would have knowledge about any photographs furnished
by that Agency to the Federal Bureau of Investigation
The original photograph was taken outside of the continental United States
sometime during the period July 1, 1963 to November 23, 1963." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Keep in MindThese photographs of an unknown person, taken at a time, we are told, cannot be correlated with Lee Oswald, were sent to the FBI, and then shown to Marguerite Oswald. For what reason? Or was it a Jack Ruby photo?
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