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That Dirty Little Rumor Jan 31, 2020 10:57:50 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Jan 31, 2020 10:57:50 GMT -5

On a Search

Guy (Gus) Rose was one of the first Dallas Police officers that searched the Paine residence on Nov 22^nd.
Jack Moriarty of the HSCA took his deposition in April 1978.

Rose was a nine year veteran cop/detective for the Dallas police at the time.
It is unfortunate he was not as forthcoming to the commission about the Minox as he was to the HSCA.
The illegal search on the 22^nd made for a fast grab at the camera. The FBI kept it away from the Commission.

HSCA
MORIARTY - This Minox camera. Was that with Ruth Paine's camera equipment?
ROSE - No, it was in the sea bag.

MORIARTY - Oh, in the sea bag.

ROSE - Ruth Paine explained to me, she stood, she stood right there while we searched.
And she explained that everything in that sea bag and a couple of boxes that were there was Oswald's
and she never had any objection to any search of that. The only time she objected was when we searched
her bedroom where a lot of her camera equipment was.
She did not object when we searched Marina Oswald's bedroom, the one she used.

MORIARTY - My bottom line question is if there was a consent search form, I'd like to see a copy of it or.
ROSE - Yeah, we did not have this form.

Paine was directing the search, here's what Stovall said...

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Stovall and Rose | WC

MR. STOVALL I don't believe there was anybody went with me at the time I went in.
I heard--I think Rose started to the back bedroom, which would be Ruth Paine's bedroom
and Ruth Paine was standing there talking to him--
I could hear her talking to him and she told him that Marina suggested that he look out into the garage
and so they looked and they were out of my sight then.

Dear Mrs. Paine, objected to the search of her own room,
but perhaps there were trinkets in other rooms to be found.
Poor Marina, speaks no English.

Mr. BALL. Did Marina Oswald tell you--point to the blanket and say something.

Mr. ROSE. She pointed to the blanket and said something in Russian
and Ruth Paine was standing right there beside her and she interpreted for me--
she said, "That's where her husband's rifle is."

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Rose | WC
"Just as soon as we heard where, we knew..."

Both Michael and Ruth Paine were so concerned about where this occurred,
they immediately felt compelled to be home to help the authorities.

Mr. BALL. How did you get in the house?

Mr. ROSE. We walked up to the house, me and Stovall and one of the county officers,
and I could hear the TV was playing, and I could see the door was standing open--
the front door was--and I could see two people sitting inside the living room on the couch,
and just as soon as we walked up on the porch, Ruth Paine came to the door.
She apparently recognized us--she said, "I've been expecting you all," and we identified ourselves,
and she said, "Well, I've been expecting you to come out. Come right on in."

Mr. BALL. Did she say why she had been expecting you?
Mr. ROSE. She said, "Just as soon as I heard where the shooting happened. I knew there would be someone out."

Mr. BALL. Now, after you were there for a little while, did Michael Paine come in?

Mr. ROSE. Yes; we had only been there a few minutes and we were in plain cars,
so I don't know whether he knew we were there. He didn't appear to know we were there,
and he walked up the sidewalk and just walked in the door without knocking,
and I was standing just around the corner talking to Ruth Paine and she was standing in his view
and he didn't see any of the officers--we were all out of sight at that time, and he walked in
and he said, "I came to help you. Just as soon as I heard where it happened,
I knew you would need some help." Then he apparently saw us and then he spoke to us.

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Robert Oswald: "I still do not know why or how, but Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair..."

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That Dirty Little Rumor Jan 31, 2020 10:58:14 GMT -5

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HSCA | Gus Rose

Rose explained, he and Stovall actually marked the camera.
Both scratched their initials into the base.
However, when the evidence came back from the FBI, the camera was changed to a light meter.
Rose refused to change the invoice to read as such. All of this was kept away from the WC.

Some time later, a Minox camera did show up, and was claimed to belong to Michael Paine
No initials of the officers, and it carried an unauthorized serial number. It was broken.
Meanwhile, Rose was absolutely sure what he found was a Minox camera among Oswald's possessions.
He marked it.

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Rose | HSCA

MORIARTY - O.k. You're quite sure that this Minox camera was a camera.
Did you open it up and see film in it, or. . (pause) This is a little, I'm not up on cameras myself.
This is a little camera isn't it, the Minox?

ROSE - Very small. It's not any bigger than a half pack of cigarettes.
MORIARTY - Ok. I think I've seen pictures of it.

ROSE - And you kind of push it together to make it snap.
It's not any bigger than a pack of cigarettes.
And in this particular one, it did have a roll of film in it.
And there's no question absolutely that it was a Minox miniature camera.

MORIARTY - And you initialed it.
ROSE - Yes I did.

MORIARTY - Do you remember where or how?
ROSE - Somewhere on the base of the camera I scratched my initials. So did Stovall.

MORIARTY - Very good. I assume that was all part of the property that was turned over to the F.B.I.

ROSE - Yes, it was. Now they later did come back and request that I change that on the invoice to read Minox light meter,
but it definitely wasn't a light meter, it was a camera.

MORIARTY - Was that described as a Minox camera with film? As you recall?
ROSE - I don't recall.

MORIARTY - I may have a list here someplace in my briefcase. Hold on just a minute while I dig it out.
I'll shut this off temporarily to save some tape. (Break.)

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Bill Alexander, Asst. DA and former FBI

"The FBI denied the existence of a very small pocket Minox camera found among Oswald's belongings.
We picked up a Minox camera which had some film in it and turned it over to the FBI.
Despite their denials, claiming it was a light meter, I examined it,
and I know a camera when I see one. We had the Minox camera and that was all there was to it!"

Both men are very clear, it was a Minox camera found among Lee Oswald's possessions.

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 2, 2020 11:05:19 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Feb 2, 2020 11:05:19 GMT -5

After the Break

Moriarity is trying to find a list, but it's not clear, re; what list he means,
further down he asks about out of town agents.

One in particular might have been Warren de Brueys.
He signed off on the list that cataloged the Minox.
Rose conveniently doesn't remember the name of the agent(s).
De Brueys was FBI, from New Orleans.
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MORIARTY - No, this is another list. So, if you'll just continue on this camera.
Uh, either you described it with or without film on the list that we still need.

ROSE - Right. It will be listed as a Minox miniature camera,
but I don't recall whether it mentioned whether or not it had film in it.

MORIARTY - But you did initial it?

ROSE - Stovall and I both. I put GFR and he put his initials, RS Stovall.
Then all the property was initialed, including the paper property, letters, pictures,
and all the property, we did initial it. It took several hours to initial all of it.

MORIARTY - Ok. Very good. Now, uh, do you recall the particular agents' names
that visited you requesting that you change the description of this particular item?

ROSE - No, I don't. There were a lot of new agents in town at that time
and these were some that I did not know, and I don't recall their names.

I think he's trying to find the 11/26 list witnessed by Warrren de Brueys,

"An inventory of property taken from the Paine house and garage was made Nov. 26, 1963,
in the FBI office here and listed "one Minox camera" under item number 375.
The inventory was witnessed by FBI Agent Warren De Brueys and Dallas Police Capt. J.M. English."

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Rose

"As time passed and after the Warren Commission was appointed,
uh, a couple of F.B.I. agents made three different trips to our office to talk to me about this camera.
They said that after they had received all the property they found that I had made a mistake,
and that that really wasn't a camera, it was a Minox light meter.

However, as I told them at the time, I was sure that I had not made a mistake,
it definitely was a camera and definitely did have film in it.

However, they wanted me to change that in our property invoice to read Minox light meter
and not read Minox camera. We never did change it. Uh, Captain Fritz instructed me if
I was sure I was right not to make any changes in any reports, to stay with what was right."

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 2, 2020 11:05:39 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Feb 2, 2020 11:05:39 GMT -5

Check Light and Balance

The first Dallas Police officer to file a report that the FBI had changed the evidence to a light meter.
was Dallas Police Property Manager H. W. Hill. He wrote this report, most of which is transcribed below.
thanx to Tom Sorensen for the much improved copy

"November 26, 1963. The FBI took property and evidence which had been seized in connection the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination of Pres. Kennedy, to their office in the Santa Fe building. I accompanied the agents and property to the FBI office and I was present when agent Warren C Debruey checked each item, called the name of the item and description off to their stenographer typed the description on police property to an official invoice or receipt etc. on invoice sheet [11192-G] Minox Camera - [other items somewhat illegible] 01 pedometer - 01 compass - 01 self-timer, 01 lens hood - 01 fifteen xx telescope - 01 stereo visor - 01 pocket knife in leather container, a photograph number 375 was taken of the above articles.

Quite sometime later, several weeks, an agent of the FBI came to the property room and referred to our invoice [11192-G] stated that they did not get the camera as shown above, that they got only the Minox Light Meter. He requested that I note on the invoice [11192-G] his statement regarding the Minox camera. I did so note. I do not remember the name of the agent who came to the property room and made this request, I did not write his name down."

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What is clear, each item was checked by De Brueys then called out and recorded by the FBI directly. Was he mistaken too?
"I was present when agent Warren De Brueys checked each item, called the name of the item and description off to their stenographer."

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 4, 2020 13:11:45 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Feb 4, 2020 13:11:45 GMT -5

DPD Property Invoice G 11192

There are documents that put a Minox camera in the hands of the DPD and the FBI

The recording of the Minox camera is in the DPD records on Property Invoice G 11192
signed as witnessed by Warren de Brueys (FBI)

Notice at the bottom of that invoice, CYA, RE: voluntarily given at the residence
Voluntarily given Dallas PD by RUTH PAINE and Mrs. OSWALD at PAINE's residence, Irving TX 11/22/63.
Also confirming the camera was found on the 1/22 during an illegal search of property

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FBI Inventory of the Minox Camera

Vincent Drain (FBI)
"There was also a story about an alleged Minox camera.
I'm well aware of what a Minox camera is because we used them,
when we itemized all that material, I don't recall any Minox camera; however,
the light meter would be easily mistaken for one by somebody that really didn't know and,
at that point in time, I never knew the Dallas Police Department to use them.

In fact, I would seriously doubt that the average police officer would have known
what one would have looked like. I'm not casting any reflection on them but,
one must remember that, back then, those cameras were very expensive.
A good one might cost between $500 and $700, something like that."

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 4, 2020 13:12:33 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Feb 4, 2020 13:12:33 GMT -5

State Secret
Wiretapping in Mexico City, Double Agents, and the Framing of Lee Oswald
by Bill Simpich

from the footnotes;

5. Wallace Ren 'Wally' Heitman was the one who changed the Dallas police description of the Minox camera into a “light meter” (see item 375), which contradicted the specific finding of Guy Rose of the Dallas police that it was a camera and not a light meter. When it became a major issue, the Oswalds’ host Michael Paine came forward and said the Minox was his camera. By definition, a #27259 camera is a Minox II, as that model goes up to #31500. John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee, p. 910. Nonetheless, Paine’s camera was mistakenly logged in as a Minox III. Paine’s camera was returned to him. A real Minox III is sitting in the Archives today, and that is Oswald’s Minox. It is currently jammed and thus the serial number remains unknown. A professional should be brought to the Archives and to obtain the serial number and anything more that can be learned. Also see Carol Hewett’s Minox articles, the best on the subject that I know of: “The Paines’ Participation in the Minox Camera Charade”, Part 1, www.ctka.net/pr1196-minox.html; both Part 1 and Part 2 are contained in The Assassinations, pp. 238-249.

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Hoover's memo to Dallas agents, prompted "another camera" to have been found.

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 4, 2020 13:12:55 GMT -5

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Bent the Shutter

On Jan. 30, 1964 Hoover issued a memo, because the lab currently had in its possession,
2 containers of Minox film,(exposed) and one container of Minox film(unexposed), a Minox light meter,
and a Minox camera case. Question: Where is the Minox Camera?

Look at the calendar.
Jan 22 - 27, the commission was struggling with evidence of Lee being an agent.
Here is more, now that mistake of a light meter is no longer acceptable by Hoover himself.
There must be a Minox.

SA Bardwell Odum | January 31,1964

"He {Michael Paine} owns a Minox camera and that camera is at his home in Irving, Texas. Several years ago he dropped this camera in salt water
off the coast of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and after retrieving it, soaking it in kerosene and cleaning same, it appeared to be in good
working condition. Thereafter, someone bent the shutter by pulling the lens out too far, and, to the best of his knowledge, it is not now in
working condition. He stated that he did have some cans of film, and that some of them were probably exposed film, but that the pictures
made on this film were at least five years old. He stated that he had a case for the camera and other accessories including a light meter.

He stated that when the police came to his house on November 22, 1963, they took the entire contents on a drawer containing photographic
equipment which included the items mentioned above with the exception of the camera. He stated that this camera was in his garage at that
time and that although he mentioned the camera to the police, they did not seem interested in it. He stated that he is sure LEE HARVEY OSWALD
never used this camera, and he is of the opinion that it is not in working condition at the present time. Mr. Paine stated he had no
knowledge of a 'no admittance' sign which was picked-up by the police at his residence. He stated this sign is not his and he has never seen
it before." FBI DL 100-10461

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Given by Whom?

The inventory shows that the camera was acquired from Ruth Paine, as does CD 385 and CD 735.
However, Ruth Paine later stated that she does not ever recall giving the camera to the FBI.
Another FBI document, also dated January 31, 1964, shows that the camera was given to the FBI by Michael Paine.

What happened to the Paine Minox??? According to Michael Paine, the camera was returned to him shortly after the assassination
and was eventually stolen along with his other photographic equipment about five years later.
www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald5.htm

These two commission documents are very interesting summary reports from Robert Gemberling.

They were some of the first reports to the commission of a spy camera among Lee's possessions.

This evidence was promptly buried, and never explained in the narrative.

CD 385 | CD 735

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 5, 2020 11:07:40 GMT -5

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Assessment of the Facts

"If the FBI story that Oswald did not possess a Minox is true, then that means:
Rose and Stovall were wrong when they claimed they found a Minox in Oswald's sea bag.
Assistant District Attorney Alexander was wrong when he said that he handled the Minox camera found by Dallas Police.
Agent DeBrueys was wrong when he identified item 375 as a Minox camera.

Agent DeBrueys and Dallas Police property manager H. W. Hill both signed the inventory showing a Minox camera.
The exchange of evidence was also witnessed by Captain J. M. English as well as FBI agents Hosty and Howe.

Not one of these experienced law enforcement agents noticed that the inventory was wrong.
Michael Paine was wrong when he reported that his camera had been returned to him shortly after the assassination.

There are several disturbing issues that point to evidence manipulation:
The FBI memorandum concerning the comparison of the films indicates that the FBI had possession of the Minox films on November 25, 1963,
the day before they officially took possession of the evidence.

Although the film had been processed and compared to Q5 by December 4, 1963,
Hoover's January 30th teletype claimed that the FBI laboratory presently maintained "two containers with exposed Minox film..."

Conflicting reports as to whether Michael or Ruth Paine actually gave the camera to the FBI.
Introduction of a bogus Minox C into the evidence.
John Armstrong's claim that the Minox camera in the Archives has been rigged not to open."

From: OSWALD CAMERA DISAPPEARED DURING FBI INVESTIGATION By EARL GOLZ
www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald5.htm

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One More Thing

Warren DeBrueys, Bardwell Odum, and Vincent Drain, were FBI agents all involved in the Minox camera reversal.
Richard Stovall and Gus Rose were the Dallas Police officers that documented a camera.
When the evidence was returned from the FBI, it came back as a light meter.

Earlier that day
Dallas Police, Seymour Weitzman, and Deputy, Eugene Boone, swore they found a 7.65 German Mauser rifle.
When the evidence was returned from the FBI, it came back as a Mannlicher–Carcano.

Warren DeBrueys, Bardwell Odum, and Vincent Drain, were FBI agents all involved in the Mauser reversal.

DeBrueys and Drain took the evidence to Washington, Odum had radioed the rifle to the FBI 11/22.

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That Dirty Little Rumor Feb 6, 2020 10:58:09 GMT -5

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Adrian Alba

In the summer of '63, Adrian Alba, was part owner of Crescent City Garage, in New Orleans.
Lee Oswald worked next door at the Riley Coffee Co, and would primarily spend his lunch hour in Adrian's office.
Alba describes Lee as spending all his time flipping thru gun magazines and discussing various weapons.
He made no mention of the FBI or CIA men that parked their cars in the garage, or used his services for repairs.
His entire deposition lead by Liebeler, was into Oswald's obsession with mail order guns.

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Envelope...please

"Alba gave an interview in the '70s stating that he saw Oswald regularly accepting white envelopes from G-men in what
he knew to be FBI company cars as they entered or exited his garage. Alba recalled watching Oswald approach an FBI car
outside the garage and receive a white envelope that was handed to him through a cracked window before concealing it under his shirt.

Alba later said Oswald "met the car again a couple of days later and talked briefly with the driver," whom,
as detailed in "JFK and the Unspeakable..." Alba knew as an "FBI agent visiting New Orleans from Washington."
He further stated that he did not know the content of the envelopes. He explained to his interviewer that he had
refused previous interviews or photos, even for money, because he was worried about the safety of his family.
He refused to be filmed for the interview." www.findagrave.com/memorial/190546514/adrian-thomas-alba

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WC Testimony

Mr. LIEBELER - Do you have anything else that you think that the Commission would be interested in that I haven't asked you about,
concerning your knowledge of Oswald, and your relations with him?

Mr. ALBA - I wouldn't think. The source of conversations was of a nature of a neighborhood acquaintanceship, nothing more.
He has never been suggestive toward any other things other than what I have already discussed with you,
as far as his interest in guns and gun magazines and gun conversations.

Witnesses were prepped with pre interviews and guidelines not to discuss anything that was not asked.
Liebeler never asked about where FBI parked their cars, or envelopes handed to Lee.
It was kept within the context of gun magazines and conversations on his lunch hour.

There was nothing further to discuss.

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That Dirty Little Rumor Mar 6, 2020 11:30:25 GMT -5

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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 6, 2020 11:30:25 GMT -5

Stop Check | Summary

A stop check to summarize the thread so far.
The following information appears throughout this topic.
The opening begins with a statement by the lead attorney to the members:

J. Lee Rankin
"We do have a dirty rumor that is very bad for the Commission...
and it is very damaging to the agencies that are involved in it,
and it must be wiped out insofar it is possible to do so by this Commission.“
(WC Executive Session | Jan. 27th 1964)

The first witness, Marina Oswald (Lee's wife), was expected in about 2 weeks.
The commission was struggling with the issue of Lee Oswald being a government agent.
There was evidence printed in a local Houston paper, and now it is in the national press.
In this secret meeting, Rankin declared it damaging to the agencies involved.

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Jan, 27th, 1964

In a previous meeting the men questioned the FBIs quick conclusions to the matter,
Now, confronted with the hard evidence to get the answers, their intention shifted to "wipe it out"
Dulles and McCloy made it clear to the others that affidavits, would be useless,
and no agency would be expected to divulge that fact, not even to superiors.

But the evidence suggests that Lee Oswald was an FBI source,
and he had been assigned an informant number, and was being paid about $200 a month.
Meanwhile, Lonnie Hudkins (the author of the Houston article),
told the Secret Service, his source was Dallas County, Deputy Sheriff, Allan Sweatt.
Sweatt said he got it from a government official, but would not divulge the name.

There is evidence of FBI agent Hosty already knowing, and having spoken to Lee.
Western Union payments wired in and out by Lee Oswald.
File cabinets of Castro sympathizers, taken from the Paine garage.

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Change on a Dime

By February '64, Lonnie changed his story and would not divulge the name of his source.
Deputy Sweatt would not divulge the name of his source.

Two weeks earlier, the commission called in the Texans. The men that had brought all this on.
Wagoneer Carr, Bill Alexander and DA Henry Wade. Hoover called this secret meeting of Jan 24th,
the appearance of Asst DA Bill Alexander before the commission. But there was no transcript.
A memo stated, Alexander changed his source to an out of town reporter, and had no idea who.

Back in the Executive Session of Jan 27th,
Commissioner Boggs continued to insist the agencies would have an obligation to say.
He and Dulles, had a bit of a back and forth, once again, Dulles made it firm,
"Yes, but he wouldn't tell." an affidavit would be worthless.

By 1978 ALL the stories had changed,
Hudkins said it was a way to catch eavesdroppers, if it leaked.
Reporter Hugh Aynesworth said, it was a practical joke played on Lonnie.
Hosty said, Aynesworth and Alexander, made it up.

Back in 1964, the Warren Commission decided to accept affidavits from the FBI and CIA.

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Of a Varied Assortment

The money Lee would have needed to get to Helsinki, and on to Moscow, is still in doubt.
The commission made no resolve of this issue, instead, chose one of two disputing stories.
His mother revealed to the members, Lee had no money, and had requested the same of her.
From his soviet defection, until her death, Marguerite believed her son was an agent.

Lee was trained in the Russian language, although the report implies he was self taught.
Rankin made it clear, they were trying to track down his connection with the Army's language school.
There was no follow up. Lee's high level of security at the time of his defection, still
raises concerns about the State Dept's foreknowledge of his trip to Russia and subsequent return.

Agent Hosty's name, number, building address and license plate number were in Lee's address book
Hosty said he never met Lee Oswald before Nov. 22nd.

Alan Belmont, FBI, the keeper of the Oswald file, brought the exact documents held by the agency.

Mr. BELMONT - "The file contains the identity of some of our informants in subversive movements.
It contains information as to some of the investigative techniques whereby
we were able to receive some of the information which has been made available to the Commission.".

The commission wouldn't look at it, and basically said, "Get that thing away from us"

A Minox spy camera was found among Lee's possessions, then disappeared into a light meter.
The FBI told the Dallas Police officer that found it, he was mistaken.

Adrian Alba, the owner of a parking garage in New Orleans said, he saw Lee Oswald take money from G-men
Mr Alba appeared before the commission, April 6, 1964. He was never asked.

And so it goes.

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