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Post by Tom Sorensen on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:47 GMT -5
From original post:
A Catholic priest told this author of observing the arrest of a young man wearing a three-piece suit and gloves who was then escorted from the Texas School Book Depository to the Dallas Sheriff's Office. He said he overheard the arresting officers say, "Well, we got one of them." There is no record of such an arrest. (Jim Marrs, Crossfire) Now, could the incident described in Arjan's post be linked to the incident described in this report also from the Sheriff's Office: Shortly after, a DPD officer brought a boy in a sport coat up and said "here is the man that had done the shooting". As officers started to question him, the crowd began to talk and pass the word around that this was the individual that had shot the President. At that time, in the company of the city officers, I sent 2 deputy sheriff's to take this man into custody and to take him to the Sheriff's office. Also Inspector Sawyer was informed of this and he sent a DPD detective to the Sheriff's office to talk to the boy.
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Post by Arjan Hut on Oct 14, 2019 12:27:59 GMT -5
Another candidate? ( Erasing the past #228) "The November 22, 1963 edition of the Dallas Times Herald reported that a policeman arrested a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat, and a raincoat after Depository employees pointed to him from a third-floor window. The news account said the man was taken under protest to the Sheriff's Department, while members of the crowd shouted, "I hope you die!" and "I hope you burn!" Three weeks later, the same newspaper reported that "an early suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy was still in jail—but no longer a suspect in the killing." This account said the man was arrested minutes after the assassination after police swarmed into the railroads yards where "a man was reported seen in that area carrying a rifle." The story said the still-unidentified man was being held on "city charges." It would be nice to find a copy of these articles! The plaid coat, overcoat and glasses make me think this is about Lary Florer. But was he still in jail three weeks later? No. Was this about another suspect altogether?  |
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Post by Arjan Hut on Sept 6, 2020 7:54:55 GMT -5
"The November 22, 1963 edition of the Dallas Times Herald reported that a policeman arrested a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat, and a raincoat" No doubt this is Larry Florer. "an early suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy was still in jail—but no longer a suspect in the killing." This account said the man was arrested minutes after the assassination after police swarmed into the railroads yards where "a man was reported seen in that area carrying a rifle." This is John Elrod. The article that Jim Marrs quotes from also gives the mans's age (31) and address (Knight street), so after the discovery of Elrod's 22-11-63 arrest record, this mystery has been solved.  John Elrod passed away in 2004 |
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 7, 2020 13:43:45 GMT -5
Another candidate? ( Erasing the past #228) "The November 22, 1963 edition of the Dallas Times Herald reported that a policeman arrested a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat, and a raincoat after Depository employees pointed to him
from a third-floor window. The news account said the man was taken under protest to the Sheriff's Department, while members of the crowd shouted, "I hope you die!" and "I hope you burn!" --snip-- Arjan, I 100% agree the guy mentioned must be Larry Florer. However, I suspect there is much more to the story than meets the eye. For no specific reason, except I noticed Depository employees on the third floor pointed to him, I did a search for him on the Texas History Portal and some interesting stuff surfaced, like the negative to the cropped version of Florer's arrest that you show. Several other photos show Florer being questioned while his statement is being typed up. Also his actual statement is there: Can also be found on the McAdams site, it's easier on the eyes: I went over it several time until I noticed that the building he's referring to as the one he entered must be the Dal-Tex building! The lady he's talking to is referring to the Records building pay phone but he's coming from Pacific and Houston, tracks running parallel to Pacific, and he's across the street (Houston) from the Depository building and the guy pointing to him must be on the third floor of the Dal-Tex building.
This makes the article snippet even more strange as it states he got the attention of third floor Depository employees while Florer states it was a fellow on the third floor of the building (Dal-Tex) he exited who pointed at him. Is this just a mistake on behalf of the Times Herald reporter or is there more to it? The wording in Florer's statement, "I was the man that was on the third floor.", certainly indicates that somebody was looking for a guy on the third floor of the Dal-Tex building, a shooter? But Florer arrived way too late to be a shooter, right? Poking around the internet an other November 22nd arrestee pops up: Jim Braden, who also happened to be looking for a third floor phone and got arrested and ended up at the Sheriff's department. His statement: McAdams: Again, the building Braden enters is not named but a pay phone is mentioned, which according to Florer's story should be in the Records building, but "the building across the street from the building that was surrounded" could be interpreted as either the Dal-Tex or Records building. The colored guy running the elevator reporting Braden, because he was a "stranger", sounds like BS to me. Wound Braden be the only stranger in the Records building?
Only a complete fool would not look closer at those two incidents but I have stopped counting the number of times the WC failed to run down obvious leads suggesting a conspiracy.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Sept 7, 2020 13:44:51 GMT -5
Others have their doubts....but I think the author has the buildings reversed (presentation has no sound).
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Post by Arjan Hut on Sept 10, 2020 11:38:41 GMT -5
Phones on the 3rd floor, was that a typical 1963 thing?
It is confusing, the Dal-Tex or the County Records building. I recently read an account of the day of the assassination where it said that one of the officers was sent outside of the TSBD to see what the building was called, shortly before it was 'sealed'. So, all in all, it is not odd that Florer or Braden didn't know the name or address of the buildings they entered after the shooting looking for a phone. It ís remarkable that Braden knows the Texas School Book Depository by name, although I believe the average Dallas citizen, if familiar with the depot, referred to it as the Sexton building.
Very well possible that the reporter who wrote the article Marrs quotes got the buildings wrong, and also the time that Elrod spent in the jail. Several days instead of several weeks. Proof of Elrod's time in the Dallas jail only appeared in the 90s. In 1964, the FBI discredited the Elrod story (about a gunrunning scheme including Ruby and possibly Oswald) because they found no record of his Dallas 11-22-63 arrest!
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