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Post by Tom Sorensen on Mar 24, 2019 12:57:05 GMT -5
On another JFK board Alan Ford recently pointed out some interesting discrepancies related to a CSS form by Carl Day of the DP shown below. Two curtain rods, marked 275 & 276, were handed in by agent [John Joe] Howlett of the Secret Service to be checked for finger prints. One legible print was found but did not belong to [Lee Harvey] Oswald.
If the WC volumes are correct as to how and when the rods were picked up at the Paine garage there are serious problems with the data circled in green on the form.
Continued....
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Post by Michael Capasse on Mar 24, 2019 13:09:33 GMT -5
HI Tom - good idea... I can add this at the start....CE 429 is marked where curtain rods are supposed to exist in the Paine garage.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Mar 25, 2019 3:58:51 GMT -5
So what's wrong with the form?
The marks "275" + "276" only makes sense if they refer to the WC exhibit numbers (Ruth Paine deposition) put on the curtain rods when recovered from the Paine garage on March 23, 1963:
Huge problem now: How could agent Howlett find two curtain rods in the garage 3/23/64 that he handed to Day 3/15/64 and picked up 3/24/64?
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Mar 25, 2019 4:47:57 GMT -5
!!! Sorry, the links in this post no longer work as the Dallas Municipal Archives moved and reorganized -- use link in upcoming post !!!
And there's more trouble ahead... Box 8, Folder 1
1. CSS Form (Crime Scene Section), by an unknown author. Form requesting fingerprint check on curtain rods. (The attached fingerprint cards were removed for conservation and preservation by the archivist.) To view these cards see photograph albums, (Original), 03/15/64. 00002361 2 pages 08 01 001 2361-001.gif 2361-002.gif This suggests that something was attached to the original form. The 001 gif is a copy of the original form and the 002 gif is a copy of a form stating that those cards where moved to Box 12 where this entry can be found: 2. Fingerprint Record, by an unknown author. Fingerprints taken from curtain rods, negative number 91-001/253, 91-001/254, 91-001/255, and 91-001/256, (Original), 03/25/64. 00004202 4 pages 12 53 002 4202-001.gif 4202-002.gif 4202-003.gif 4202-004.gif Bingo!
Even though the quality is poor we see the date 3/25/64, the day after the rods were returned to agent Howlett. EDIT> The gifs (Box 12) showing finger prints are a mess....not sure what the archivist did. With reference to the next post this can be sorted out as these Texas Portal photographs show the negative ids: 4202-001: 91/001-256.
4202-002: 91/001-256 duplicated plus "tags" of other prints.
4202-003: Apparently same as 002.
4202-004: 91/001-327/253/254/255.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Mar 26, 2019 13:34:27 GMT -5
The prints and sketches from Box 12 can also be found by searching The Portal of Texas History by doing this search: LINKAlso, the Commission was kind enough to offer a copy -- or should I say "copy" -- of the CSS form as CE 1952, that's in Volume XXIII. So who faked it...?!
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Apr 13, 2019 10:44:32 GMT -5
A note to the historically inclined... While doing a little searching on the Internet I stumbled upon a book named "OSWALD TALKED" by the LaFontaines referring to the newly(?) discovered CSS form (not the WC copy) and lifted prints by Carl Day. This was back in the 1990s! Here's a link to the Google Book version for reference: LINKLooking back at various JFK discussion group battles it becomes evident that nothing has changed when it comes to Nutters burying their heads in the sand when they can't deal with the facts. A prime example of a desperate "rebuttal" can be found here by John McAdams: LINK1, full text quoted: It's rather interesting to break down his fake rebuttal:
1/ Title of post falsely states a bogus account is presented. No account is presented.
2/ It then becomes the intend of the LaFontaines to push this "account" (LHO brought in the rods) but this is what was actually stated: "No evidence could be found that the photos were ever turned over to the Warren Commission."
3/ McAdams then credits Jean Davison (a contemporary hard-core Nutter) for "questioning" the fake issue he just made up -- bravo!
4/ He then claims the research shows one set of prints from the Paine's rods and another set of unknown origin. Now for some McAdams logic: Since the "unknown set" is dated 3/25, the day after after the release of the rods on 3/24, they must be the result of "more paperwork" on the Paine's rods....WOW!
5/ Up next is a confused rant about alleged "remiss" RE rod pickup at the Paine residence. The chronology of the document sinks any claim that the rods were "found" on March 23.
6/ Followed by another logical breakdown: His references, Michael Paine (9H447-450) and Ruth Paine and Agent John Howlett (9H424-425), dates 3/17 and 3/23, are totally irrelevant to whether the photos were turned over to the commission as the photos didn't even exist prior to 3/23 when the rods were allegedly picked up.
7/ At the finishing line, McAdams falls flat on his face in an attempt to prove exhibits 275 & 276 are the rods that were picked up 3/23. The document by Day listing numbers 275 & 276 was dated 3/15 when none of the exhibit numbers existed. Was Day clairvoyant?
Ironically, after producing this pile of rubbish, McAdams schools the LaFontaines...."This is extraordinarily shoddy use of evidence." -- LOL
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1 As of lately this link has become erratic, I'm glad I saved the text.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Apr 13, 2019 20:20:00 GMT -5
He did something the same with the rifle clip.
Tell's a lot about what is not relevant and then pretend it is great and important!
Paul.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on May 25, 2020 13:34:46 GMT -5
The calendar below depicts the events related to the curtain rods marked Paine (Ruth) Exhibit 275 & 276. JENNER's idea of actually going to Irving to have the curtain rods picked up and finger printed, proving they were there all along, ended in a total disaster.
First, the rods handed in on the 15th have exhibit numbers that do not exist until the 23rd. Those rods should be with Carl Day until the 24th so which rods are being picked up and marked 275 and 276 on the 23rd? Second, which rods are released on the 24rd and what happened to the the ones picked up in Irving on the 23rd?
Third, when Day checked out the rods on the 24 which rods did he work on the following day, the 25th?
Fourth, somebody faked the CSSS form altering the release date and time when copied to prepare CE 1952.
If one is looking for proof the WC and DP were faking and fabricating evidence it doesn't get much better than this!
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Nov 3, 2022 13:57:56 GMT -5
Kabuki Theater In Ruth Paine's Garage
YouTuber 'NoTrueFlags' recently did an excellent video so titled which outlines the scam by the Warren Commission and shows additional evidence of how the date of an FBI report was also faked to add credibility to the scam. Video embedded below for your enjoyment!
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