Post by Arjan Hut on Oct 11, 2019 3:52:39 GMT -5
226 The DePugh sabot
Related:
84 The after-action reports of Army Intelligence officer Edward J. Coyle
85 Henry González' images of Kennedy's body at Parkland
86 Army intelligence records on Fort Hood arms theft
87 Army intelligence records on Captain George Nonte
192 Guy Banister's Files
One of the radio stations I did “hometowner” interviews in Vietnam for was KMBC in Kansas City. The
General Manager there contacted me and offered me a nighttime talk show at the really good salary.
So I jumped at it.
I had never done a “talk” program before and the possibilities fascinated me.
It would be a nighttime show and the station’s coverage at those hours was excellent. AM station
signals traveled better at night than during the day. It’s an atmospheric thing of which I’m aware but
can’t explain.
We jumped right into the burgeoning subject of “who really killed President Kennedy in Dallas”.
Robert dePugh (1923-2009)
Robert DePugh lived in the Kansas City area and was one of my first guests. DePugh was leader of
the radical right wing group known as “The Minutemen” and that group and DePugh were often
mentioned as possibly being involved in the Kennedy assassination.
DePugh denied this...but enjoyed the publicity surrounding it.
He said that he had no advance knowledge of the attack in Dallas and in the days following, he told me,
he had personally contacted his members in that area and said all disavowed any participation in the JFK
murder.
However there was a very interesting story he told and whether or not there was any truth to it we’ll
never really know.
DePugh said several days...maybe as much as a week after the shooting he got a large envelope in the
mail from the Dallas area. One of his members (he refused to identify the man) wrote Bob that several
days after the assassination he was taking a slow walk around the plaza and happened upon a small
circular piece of plastic in the grass at which he picked up, pocketed and then walked away...in case
anyone was watching.
Upon careful examination of this piece of plastic...the man decided it might be significant and he sent it off
to Bob...writing that it could prove that there was a conspiracy and that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act
alone.
As Robert explained it...the plastic cover would be used by a shooter to conceal the real type of bullet his
rifle would fire.
This would complicate any proof the authorities might get on the shooter’s real ammo. Oswald did not
have anything like that...nothing like that was found in his killing nest.
So...the second gunman, Bob said, used the concealed ammo and got off the third and decisive shot from
the front...the grassy knoll would be Bob’s best bet. He said a second gunman would have to be a real
expert...a concealed gunman...firing concealed bullets and be able to escape before anyone spotted him.
Bob said the proof of something like that was the Zapruder film which showed the President being hit
from the front...not from Oswald who was above and behind the target.
Then DePugh went on to say that a few weeks after he received that mailing...the FBI came knocking on
his door with a search warrant. He said they forced everyone out of his house and were in there for
hours. When they left and Bob returned to his home there was only one thing missing: You guessed it...
the plastic ammo cover.
Take that for what it’s worth. Just one of the weird tales, of many, floating around about the killing of
JFK. In later years DePugh and some of his followers would be arrested and convicted of planning a terror
like bombing and a robbery of some banks.
(Stan Major, Did you kill or take part in killing JFK?)
CBS news reporter Peter Noyes, in his excellent book Legacy of
Doubt (1973), did a masterful job of investigating extreme rightwing
linkages with the Mafia in the Kennedy assassination. Noyes
also uncovered connections with Nelson Bunker Hunt, son of H. L.
Hunt. I obtained Noyes' research notes for his book from the Assassination
Archives and a copy of his book (now becoming rare) from
Bob Dorff.
Noyes' investigation turned up a group called AVG (American
Volunteer Group) which was a spinoff from the Minutemen. Noyes
wrote in his notes:
"The topic of AVG was first mentioned to me in a conversation
with former FBI agent Bill Turner in February of 1970. Turner
said he had interviewed Robert DePugh, national leader of the
Minutemen, at Leavenworth where DePugh was imprisoned on
conspiracy charges. According to Turner: DePugh said the Minutemen
were split into a number of factions including his original
group: a Neo-Nazi faction and AVG. DePugh claimed he tried to
start AVG as a front organization but others took it away from
him. He apparently implied to Turner that AVG was a dangerous,
para-military organization."
What we see in all of this is a pattern of right-wing groups-such as
the John Birch Society-not being extreme enough for some of their
more violence-prone members, thereby spawning splinter groups
such as the Minutemen, who in turn spawned even more extreme
groups such as the AVG.
(Noël Twyman, Bloody Treason, p. 558)
Different sabot types
Dean Morgan of Lewisville (a suburb of Dallas) has told Texas researchers that in 1975 his father
was working on air-conditioning equipment on the roof of the Dallas County Records Building
located just catercorner from the Texas School Book Depository. The Records Building's west side
faces onto Dealey Plaza and there is a waist-high parapet along the edge of its roof.
According to Morgan, his father discovered a 30.06-caliber shell casing lying under a lip of roofing
tar at the base of the roof's parapet on the side facing Dealey Plaza while searching for water leaks.
The shell casing is dated 1953 and marks indicate it was manufactured at the Twin Cities Arsenal. One
side has been pitted by exposure to the weather, indicating it lay on the roof for a long time. The casing,
which remains in Morgan's possession, has an odd crimp around its neck.
Rifle experts have explained to Morgan that this is evidence that a sabot may have been used to fire
ammunition from a 30.06 rifle. A sabot is a plastic sleeve that allows a larger-caliber weapon to fire a
smaller-caliber slug. The results of using a lighter-weight slug include increased velocity producing more
accuracy and greater striking power. And the smaller slug exhibits the ballistics of the weapon it was
originally fired from, rather than, in this case, the 30.06, as the sabot engages the 30.06's rifling.
In other words, assassination conspirators could have fired 6.5-millimeter bullets from the Oswald rifle into
water, recovered them, then reloaded them into the more accurate and powerful 30.06 with the use of a
sabot— which is held in place by crimping the cartridge.
By this method, bullet fragments found in the presidential limousine would have the ballistics of Oswald's
rifle rather than the 30.06 from which they were actually fired.
(Jim Marrs, Crossfire)
Related:
84 The after-action reports of Army Intelligence officer Edward J. Coyle
85 Henry González' images of Kennedy's body at Parkland
86 Army intelligence records on Fort Hood arms theft
87 Army intelligence records on Captain George Nonte
192 Guy Banister's Files
One of the radio stations I did “hometowner” interviews in Vietnam for was KMBC in Kansas City. The
General Manager there contacted me and offered me a nighttime talk show at the really good salary.
So I jumped at it.
I had never done a “talk” program before and the possibilities fascinated me.
It would be a nighttime show and the station’s coverage at those hours was excellent. AM station
signals traveled better at night than during the day. It’s an atmospheric thing of which I’m aware but
can’t explain.
We jumped right into the burgeoning subject of “who really killed President Kennedy in Dallas”.
Robert dePugh (1923-2009)
Robert DePugh lived in the Kansas City area and was one of my first guests. DePugh was leader of
the radical right wing group known as “The Minutemen” and that group and DePugh were often
mentioned as possibly being involved in the Kennedy assassination.
DePugh denied this...but enjoyed the publicity surrounding it.
He said that he had no advance knowledge of the attack in Dallas and in the days following, he told me,
he had personally contacted his members in that area and said all disavowed any participation in the JFK
murder.
However there was a very interesting story he told and whether or not there was any truth to it we’ll
never really know.
DePugh said several days...maybe as much as a week after the shooting he got a large envelope in the
mail from the Dallas area. One of his members (he refused to identify the man) wrote Bob that several
days after the assassination he was taking a slow walk around the plaza and happened upon a small
circular piece of plastic in the grass at which he picked up, pocketed and then walked away...in case
anyone was watching.
Upon careful examination of this piece of plastic...the man decided it might be significant and he sent it off
to Bob...writing that it could prove that there was a conspiracy and that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act
alone.
As Robert explained it...the plastic cover would be used by a shooter to conceal the real type of bullet his
rifle would fire.
This would complicate any proof the authorities might get on the shooter’s real ammo. Oswald did not
have anything like that...nothing like that was found in his killing nest.
So...the second gunman, Bob said, used the concealed ammo and got off the third and decisive shot from
the front...the grassy knoll would be Bob’s best bet. He said a second gunman would have to be a real
expert...a concealed gunman...firing concealed bullets and be able to escape before anyone spotted him.
Bob said the proof of something like that was the Zapruder film which showed the President being hit
from the front...not from Oswald who was above and behind the target.
Then DePugh went on to say that a few weeks after he received that mailing...the FBI came knocking on
his door with a search warrant. He said they forced everyone out of his house and were in there for
hours. When they left and Bob returned to his home there was only one thing missing: You guessed it...
the plastic ammo cover.
Take that for what it’s worth. Just one of the weird tales, of many, floating around about the killing of
JFK. In later years DePugh and some of his followers would be arrested and convicted of planning a terror
like bombing and a robbery of some banks.
(Stan Major, Did you kill or take part in killing JFK?)
CBS news reporter Peter Noyes, in his excellent book Legacy of
Doubt (1973), did a masterful job of investigating extreme rightwing
linkages with the Mafia in the Kennedy assassination. Noyes
also uncovered connections with Nelson Bunker Hunt, son of H. L.
Hunt. I obtained Noyes' research notes for his book from the Assassination
Archives and a copy of his book (now becoming rare) from
Bob Dorff.
Noyes' investigation turned up a group called AVG (American
Volunteer Group) which was a spinoff from the Minutemen. Noyes
wrote in his notes:
"The topic of AVG was first mentioned to me in a conversation
with former FBI agent Bill Turner in February of 1970. Turner
said he had interviewed Robert DePugh, national leader of the
Minutemen, at Leavenworth where DePugh was imprisoned on
conspiracy charges. According to Turner: DePugh said the Minutemen
were split into a number of factions including his original
group: a Neo-Nazi faction and AVG. DePugh claimed he tried to
start AVG as a front organization but others took it away from
him. He apparently implied to Turner that AVG was a dangerous,
para-military organization."
What we see in all of this is a pattern of right-wing groups-such as
the John Birch Society-not being extreme enough for some of their
more violence-prone members, thereby spawning splinter groups
such as the Minutemen, who in turn spawned even more extreme
groups such as the AVG.
(Noël Twyman, Bloody Treason, p. 558)
Different sabot types
Dean Morgan of Lewisville (a suburb of Dallas) has told Texas researchers that in 1975 his father
was working on air-conditioning equipment on the roof of the Dallas County Records Building
located just catercorner from the Texas School Book Depository. The Records Building's west side
faces onto Dealey Plaza and there is a waist-high parapet along the edge of its roof.
According to Morgan, his father discovered a 30.06-caliber shell casing lying under a lip of roofing
tar at the base of the roof's parapet on the side facing Dealey Plaza while searching for water leaks.
The shell casing is dated 1953 and marks indicate it was manufactured at the Twin Cities Arsenal. One
side has been pitted by exposure to the weather, indicating it lay on the roof for a long time. The casing,
which remains in Morgan's possession, has an odd crimp around its neck.
Rifle experts have explained to Morgan that this is evidence that a sabot may have been used to fire
ammunition from a 30.06 rifle. A sabot is a plastic sleeve that allows a larger-caliber weapon to fire a
smaller-caliber slug. The results of using a lighter-weight slug include increased velocity producing more
accuracy and greater striking power. And the smaller slug exhibits the ballistics of the weapon it was
originally fired from, rather than, in this case, the 30.06, as the sabot engages the 30.06's rifling.
In other words, assassination conspirators could have fired 6.5-millimeter bullets from the Oswald rifle into
water, recovered them, then reloaded them into the more accurate and powerful 30.06 with the use of a
sabot— which is held in place by crimping the cartridge.
By this method, bullet fragments found in the presidential limousine would have the ballistics of Oswald's
rifle rather than the 30.06 from which they were actually fired.
(Jim Marrs, Crossfire)