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Post by Michael Capasse on Jul 18, 2019 21:14:27 GMT -5
HI Paul - Is this man from a Max Holland special?
He is sitting on some crate? - there is no room like that in the cramped nest. and if you are standing, how do you get the rifle barrel out the window? --- do limbo? - how low can you go? LOL !!! ...or shoot the window !!!
Any nutter with a 3D model has to show the distance from the armpit to the floor. Otherwise it is crap.
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Post by Tom Sorensen on Jul 19, 2019 4:59:00 GMT -5
The guy on the crate is former SA Hewlett who participated in the staged recovery of curtain rods in the Paines garage, see this thread: Were the Paine curtain rods fake?
Max Holland probably started out with the best intentions of proving something but bringing in the Warren Commission's man...wow!
As already pointed out the corner is not modeled correctly and there's no excuse for that, except the sniper didn't fit, because Studebaker had all the measurements in his drawing of the SE corner. Also missing in their mock up is the outside concrete window ledge which might interfere with shots fired from a steep angle.
Their worst mistake is that they have no constraints on the angle that the rifle is pointed at the marks on the floor. The sniper can tilt the rifle any way he likes to aim at those marks but this does not assure the correct trajectory they measured on site outside of the depository.
IMO the whole reenactment thing fizzles out when Holland ends up speculating as to what deflected The Lost Bullet. Note how steep the angle to the traffic light is...would a bullet even penetrate that piece of sheet metal? To me also the direction is wrong, away from the underpass, so the bullet would likely be deflected into the pavement.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 19, 2019 5:44:31 GMT -5
HI Paul - Is this man from a Max Holland special?
He is sitting on some crate? - there is no room like that in the cramped nest. and if you are standing, how do you get the rifle barrel out the window? --- do limbo? - how low can you go? LOL !!! ...or shoot the window !!!
Any nutter with a 3D model has to show the distance from the armpit to the floor. Otherwise it is crap.
Yes Michael and Tom, from the lost bullet. He is sitting on a crate and much higher (double height) then Oswald would have been, following the FBI Mr. Frazier. In addition, the distances are not right for the boxes in front of him. This snipers nest is also not completely built. For example, I would like to see his measurements until the side wall calculated from the window frame. There are also no boxes piled behind the SS agent, see photo, which gives a shooter much more room than was actually then actually was in situ. I also agree with Tom that the angle for the first shot is way too steep to make a direction to the overpass. And now I would like to see a test of the three shots with that standing shooting posture. Let's see how much time a shooter needs. It would also be interesting to see where the cartridges would land. Yes, I have already had considerable discussions about the armpit distances to the floor, on another forum. Nutters just refuse to give up the distance (which I do) for a sitting, kneeling and standing shooting position. They also refuse to display a clear diagram. Instead of that they the presenting a picture what it is very dark and without measurements. However, most examples that I have seen, e.g. from Mr. Myers are in the nest without a shooter. But if you are shooting and evaluates the angle you come to a standing shooter who is standing in a row of boxes behind the support boxes. And that is NOT possible. My conclusion is still so far that Oswald or another shooter from this location did not fire a series of 3 shots at the president in this setting of boxes also photographed by the DPD / FBI and brought to the Warren Commission. Also the statements of witnesses are not clear in this case.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 19, 2019 5:54:43 GMT -5
The guy on the crate is former SA Hewlett who participated in the staged recovery of curtain rods in the Paines garage, see this thread: Were the Paine curtain rods fake?Max Holland probably started out with the best intentions of proving something but bringing in the Warren Commission's man...wow! As already pointed out the corner is not modeled correctly and there's no excuse for that, except the sniper didn't fit, because Studebaker had all the measurements in his drawing of the SE corner. Also missing in their mock up is the outside concrete window ledge which might interfere with shots fired from a steep angle.
Their worst mistake is that they have no constraints on the angle that the rifle is pointed at the marks on the floor. The sniper can tilt the rifle any way he likes to aim at those marks but this does not assure the correct trajectory they measured on site outside of the depository.
IMO the whole reenactment thing fizzles out when Holland ends up speculating as to what deflected The Lost Bullet. Note how steep the angle to the traffic light is...would a bullet even penetrate that piece of sheet metal? To me also the direction is wrong, away from the underpass, so the bullet would likely be deflected into the pavement.
I agree Tom. Take a look at this picture. Continue the line (red) further into the building on the 6th floor). Then measure the distance from the ground (6th floor) to the armpit of Lee. H. O. This can only mean a standing shooting position. See the location of the shooter. NOT possible. The shooter ends in a row with boxes piled up 3 to 4 high.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 19, 2019 6:10:28 GMT -5
Do it again Mr. Specter and Mr. Frazier.They just didn't know it. Then gamble and create a lot of paperwork, films, reenactments, etc to appease people to sleep.
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 19, 2019 7:23:16 GMT -5
For a standing shot.... (even not supported) follow the end of the red line into the Bld. 6th floor!
The shooter will end up in a pile of boxes, while standing.
No go and not done!!!!!
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 19, 2019 7:35:45 GMT -5
Those Yellow marked boxes are not presented in the Doc. of Mr. Holland.
A standing shooter would end in those yellow pile of boxes!!!
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 20, 2019 5:33:27 GMT -5
Here is an example again how far a standing shooter had to stand back to hit the target(s).
Like I stated before, the shooter will end in a pile of boxes behind the supporting boxes in front of the window.I did several tests and calculations with and without boxes behind and in front of the shooter.
The 19 inch window opening refering to Mr. Specter in the Warren Communion statement.
These are the results!
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 20, 2019 16:25:15 GMT -5
Nice to know!!!! Mr Specter stated in the Warren Commission that the window was open 19 inch!!!
Now have a look at this.
Mr. Specter. Did you participate in the onsite tests at Dallas on May 24, 1964? Mr. Frazier. Yes. Mr. Specter. What was your position during most of the time of those onsite tests? Mr. Frazier. I was stationed at the window on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building at the southeast corner of the building. Mr. Specter. How far was that window open at the time the tests were being conducted? Mr. Frazier. I estimated it as approximately one-third. It was somewhat less than halfway open. (Someone is lying... Specter stated 19 inch!!!).
Mr. Specter. Is the distance open on that window about the same as that which you had it open at the time these tests were run? Mr. Frazier. Yes; I would say that this is very close. The window was placed according to information already furnished to the Commission as to how much it had been opened at that time. Mr. Frazier. We placed these boxes in their relative position in front of the window spacing them from left to right, according to the photographs which were furnished to us, and also placing them up against the window, with one of them resting on the window ledge as it was shown in the photographs. Mr. Specter. In addition to the placement of the boxes, were there any other guides which you had for reconstructing the position of the rifle to the way which you believed it to have been held on November 22, 1963? Mr. Frazier. Yes, sir; there was one physical obstruction in the building which could not be moved consisting of two vertical pipes located just at the left side of the sixth floor window. These prevented me or anyone who was shooting from that window from moving any further to the left .
The position of the rifle, of course, had to be such that it could be sighted out through the window, using the telescopic sight high enough above the window ledge so that the muzzle of the weapon would clear the window ledge, and low enough in position so that the bottom of the window, which was only partially raised, would not interfere with a view through the telescopic sight, which is approximately 2 inches higher than the actual bore of the weapon. The rifle but plate and telescoop sight dimensions: (by me measured in a CAD program.)
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Post by Paul Ernst on Jul 21, 2019 4:00:13 GMT -5
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